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Old 12-06-2011, 11:55 AM  
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Marlins have made 10-year offer to Pujols
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Confirmed: #Marlins have made 10-year offer to Pujols. Source says two sides trying to work through no-trade issue. MORE #MLB
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Old 12-06-2011, 06:03 PM   #91
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That's a pretty bizarre hypothetical given that Wainwright and Jackson never pitched together.

Further, the 2011 Cardinals got precisely zero innings from Adam Wainwright, so he's not terribly relevant to that discussion either.

In 2012, the Cardinals rotation of Wainwright, Carpenter, Garcia, Lohse and Westbrook will be better than the Marlins rotation of Johnson, Sanchez, Nolasco, Volstead and #5, but lets not act like it's a walk-away.

We don't know what WW will come back as next season anymore than we know about Johnson. When they're both healthy, they're comparable. Carpenter, for as fantastic as he was from September on, was mediocre prior to that. He's probably going to be the oldest SP in the national league next season and he's thrown a TON of innings over the last 2; I expect a significant regression from him. If Sanchez can stay as effective as he was in the 1st half, Sanchez could have a better year. Nolasco is a maddening headcase, but he's also capable of striking out 16 batters in a game. Let's not act like Garcia's the most consistent or unflappable guy in the majors himself; Nolasco could easily have a better year. Lohse is what he is; a pretty good pitcher with a weak stomach; he's a suitable #3 but you want him no higher.. He's better than Volstead and that's pretty much the only clear 'victory'. Westbrook is dogshit. Complete and utter dogshit. I hate him, I hate his family, I hate his pets. At least the current Marlins #5 (Hand) has some upside if he would stop walking guys.

Yeah, the Cardinals probably have a better rotation, but it's not like we're lapping the field here.
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Old 12-06-2011, 07:01 PM   #92
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A lot more people care about the best team in the area in any sport by a wide margin over those who care about the cornhumpers.
A bit generous with "area," aren't we?
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Old 12-06-2011, 07:05 PM   #93
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A bit generous with "area," aren't we?
I don't hear you complaining when the area includes places like Norman and Iowa City.

My area is Missouri. Don't really give a shit about anything else, or people too wrapped up in their own bitterness to recognize that.
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Old 12-06-2011, 07:09 PM   #94
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Good Christ. How can the Marlins be spending this much on Reyes and Pujols while currently under an SEC investigation?
they got new seats to fill!!!
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I don't hear you complaining when the area includes places like Norman and Iowa City.

My area is Missouri. Don't really give a shit about anything else, or people too wrapped up in their own bitterness to recognize that.
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Old 12-06-2011, 07:17 PM   #96
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If he leaves for the Marlins, then he was FOS in all his previous statements and it was all about the money.

We got him for 11 of his best years. He has maybe 2 more of those years left but wants to be paid for 10 more years like that.

It makes sense for the Cards to do that but not anyone else.
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Old 12-06-2011, 07:21 PM   #97
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Region = conference footprint/U.S. census groupings/loose popular groupings, i.e. "Midwest"/etc.
Whatever. You have your area, and I have mine. Glad they're not the same. Winning the occasional championship certainly feels better than, well, whatever it is that you do.
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Old 12-06-2011, 07:43 PM   #98
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If he leaves for the Marlins, then he was FOS in all his previous statements and it was all about the money.

We got him for 11 of his best years. He has maybe 2 more of those years left but wants to be paid for 10 more years like that.

It makes sense for the Cards to do that but not anyone else.
I don't even think it makes sense for the Cards to do that and apparently they don't either. So much for the home town discount. Pujols is just another me first athelete who over values himself and puts himself above the team or winning. Not the first, certainly won't be the last.
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I don't even think it makes sense for the Cards to do that and apparently they don't either. So much for the home town discount. Pujols is just another me first athelete who over values himself and puts himself above the team or winning. Not the first, certainly won't be the last.
You guys act as if Miami hasn't added anything to compete...
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The guy has a chance to stay in STL and get to legend status especially in the town of STL.

IMO Staying in one of the most historical baseball cities and becomes its icon>going to Miami for 30 million more dollars.


But I guess i'm a poor college kid who doesn't understand 30 million dollars means.
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You guys act as if Miami hasn't added anything to compete...
THey have.

However the guy has always said that he wanted talent added aroudn him in STL and just wanted to win. They did both.

I get the hurt from Cards fans. I also get he wants the most money he can make.
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I don't hear you complaining when the area includes places like Norman and Iowa City.

My area is Missouri. Don't really give a shit about anything else, or people too wrapped up in their own bitterness to recognize that.
I hope by this you don't mean that the Cardinals are "Missouri's team"?
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The Royals countered with a 5 year 15 million dollar deal and offered him the "Keys to the city of Independence"
God, that area is two completely different worlds from the 90's to now.. My old neighborhood of 3bedroom2bath's are all hud homes now.. Driving through on thanksgiving what do I see?? Little wanna be gangbangers with their asses hanging out... Shit, in the 90s it was kids outside playing sports..

Well East Independence (fort osage area) was.. West has always been garbage..
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