Chiefs Would it be a mistake to fire Todd Haley? - Page 15

**BossChief** · 12-07-2011, 11:54 PM

I started the year in full support of Haley. This team was developing into one of the better teams in football and were young across the board...despite being handcuffed to Matt Cassel. The growth in almost all of our young talent was apparent and easily recognizable.

His fiery attitude is infectious and the team plays with that emotion and passion. Haleys motivational skills are up there with about anyones.

For that, I was willing to overlook his mismanagement of situational football and a few other deficiencies that come with a first time coach and assumed that he would improve in those areas, with experience.

This is one hell of a hard season to judge because of the lack of an offseason. I am willing to give him a partial pass on the early part of the schedule because I still believe it was the right plan if we are looking at the long term big picture. It just sucks that we coincidentally ran into the injury bug at crucial positions early on.

All that said, his offense is embarrassing to watch while Romeos defense is seemingly entering GOD mode without, arguably, its best player. Everyone on earth (sans Haley, seemingly) can see that Palko has no place in the NFL and Haley is seemingly OK with betting half the year on him. I dont understand what Haley sees from a quarterback that has the weakest arm Ive ever seen in the NFL.

I still think that Haley deserves a shot at it with a real quarterback. This team is giving good effort and I think most agree it would be a contender with a real quarterback. Who could have this team in position to contend with these quarterbacks (Im not even gonna touch the Stanzi situation)?

I guess the way we deal with the remaining 4 games plays a lot into this, but at this point I think it would be a mistake to fire Haley either during or after this year, but I can see why someone would disagree with that opinion and thats why I want to see how a poll on this topic shakes out.

Do YOU think it would be a mistake to fire Todd Haley and replace him prior to next year?

**BigMeatballDave** · 12-08-2011, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

After seeing who voted in the poll to fire Haley, its pretty clear he should stay.

LOL ouch

Chiefnj2 · 12-08-2011, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by suds79

He seemingly can't get along with other OCs probably because he wants to call plays and mettle. So let him take full responsibility. If he fails, he's got no one else to blame.

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Isn't that happening now??

ShowtimeSBMVP · 12-08-2011, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Omega

Raheem Morris isn't a ****ing nutcase.

Yes cause haley is clearly a nutcase.What a joke you are.

**BigMeatballDave** · 12-08-2011, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Omega

Those guys are not going to be coaching the Chiefs next year.

That's correct, Haley will still be here.

**Tribal Warfare** · 12-08-2011, 02:49 PM

It's simple as this Haley "outsmarted" himself with the short TC practice field preseason game strategy, hence in the beginning of the year we were out of shape and got killed by injuries, the Gaither thing pisses me off to no end considering how well he performed for SD while only being on the team for only week after being cut by the Chiefs. I can understand why Haley started Palko in the beginning and why they got Orton but after seeing Palko totally stink it up Haley should've allowed Stanzi to get his shot. ( **** at least have all three QB's active during games) The way he's handling the QB situation is what really gets me.

suds79 · 12-08-2011, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Isn't that happening now??

Probably, but somehow Bill Muir has a role in what's already a mess within the play calling system.

Todd really dropped the ball the way I see it when he named Bill Muir as the playcaller at the beginning of the season. That was a bad move.

Just get that old guy out of the way and run the show instead of barging in an taking it over mid season.

-King- · 12-08-2011, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Omega

Would be ecstatic but I think he's staying in PHI.

He's lost like 20 games more than he has won against playoff opponents. He can die in a fire. His record is like 22-44 the past 10 years against teams that made the playoffs.
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ShowtimeSBMVP · 12-08-2011, 02:57 PM

http://www.bbs.tbaybucs.com/index.ph...1-fire-raheem/

Buc fans think the the team has quit on morris can you say that about haley?

Nightfyre · 12-08-2011, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Omega

Let's say you were Clark Hunt and Scott Pioli, and you're ready to move on from Matt Cassel.

Would you really trust a guy like Todd Haley with a rookie quarterback's development?

No ****ing way.

Yes, I would. Because I am a rational human being, I have formed an objective and educated opinion on the subject.

You, on the other hand, are a wishy-washy and impulsive parasite who allows his emotions to complete skew which facts you will acknowledge and which you will ignore.

durtyrute · 12-08-2011, 03:09 PM

We don't need a new HC, we need a new OC and a QB, ASAP, FTW!

Hammock Parties · 12-08-2011, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Nightfyre

Yes, I would. Because I am a rational human being, I have formed an objective and educated opinion on the subject.

I have seen nothing in three years that indicates Haley would be a good coach for a rookie QB. I have seen a lot that indicates he would be freaking terrible in such a situation.

There's no emotion here.

Tell me why he would be a good guy to develop a rookie. And don't bring up Derrick Johnson or Dwayne Bowe, because that's bullshit.

Chiefnj2 · 12-08-2011, 03:11 PM

Clark loves this fan base. Happy with crap because "it could be worse ... McDaniels."

Nightfyre · 12-08-2011, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Omega

I have seen nothing in three years that indicates Haley would be a good coach for a rookie QB. I have seen a lot that indicates he would be freaking terrible in such a situation.

There's no emotion here.

Tell me why he would be a good guy to develop a rookie. And don't bring up Derrick Johnson or Dwayne Bowe, because that's bullshit.

Players perform for Todd Haley. His entire career has been about developing guys into the best players they can be. I can skip over the Chiefs he has already done this for and go straight to Fitz, Boldin, Breaston, Warner, Keyshawn, etc.

Who would be better for a rookie QB than someone who is going to teach him to be disciplined and well-studied? Further, if he gets a guy with an accurate deep ball, Haley will be able to integrate the deep pass into his offense. Given the number of weapons which will be at his disposal, our offense will be difficult to stop and impossible to bullseye.

Hammock Parties · 12-08-2011, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Nightfyre

Players perform for Todd Haley.

Just not Chiefs QBs, huh?

Nightfyre · 12-08-2011, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Omega

Just not Chiefs QBs, huh?

Please. Nobody could get the current Chiefs QBs to perform. reeruned arguments like this are exactly what I was referring to earlier, btw.

View Poll Results: Would it be a mistake to fire Todd Haley?
yes, it would be a mistake. Haley deserves a shot with a healthy squad he built.	142	61.21%
No. Ive seen enough. Next, please.	79	34.05%
Im not voting in any of these things till I see what GAZ thinks.	11	4.74%
Voters: 232. You may not vote on this poll

12-07-2011, 11:54 PM
BossChief SuperBowl or bust Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: BF Iowa Casino cash: $-1625912	Would it be a mistake to fire Todd Haley? I started the year in full support of Haley. This team was developing into one of the better teams in football and were young across the board...despite being handcuffed to Matt Cassel. The growth in almost all of our young talent was apparent and easily recognizable. His fiery attitude is infectious and the team plays with that emotion and passion. Haleys motivational skills are up there with about anyones. For that, I was willing to overlook his mismanagement of situational football and a few other deficiencies that come with a first time coach and assumed that he would improve in those areas, with experience. This is one hell of a hard season to judge because of the lack of an offseason. I am willing to give him a partial pass on the early part of the schedule because I still believe it was the right plan if we are looking at the long term big picture. It just sucks that we coincidentally ran into the injury bug at crucial positions early on. All that said, his offense is embarrassing to watch while Romeos defense is seemingly entering GOD mode without, arguably, its best player. Everyone on earth (sans Haley, seemingly) can see that Palko has no place in the NFL and Haley is seemingly OK with betting half the year on him. I dont understand what Haley sees from a quarterback that has the weakest arm Ive ever seen in the NFL. I still think that Haley deserves a shot at it with a real quarterback. This team is giving good effort and I think most agree it would be a contender with a real quarterback. Who could have this team in position to contend with these quarterbacks (Im not even gonna touch the Stanzi situation)? I guess the way we deal with the remaining 4 games plays a lot into this, but at this point I think it would be a mistake to fire Haley either during or after this year, but I can see why someone would disagree with that opinion and thats why I want to see how a poll on this topic shakes out. Do YOU think it would be a mistake to fire Todd Haley and replace him prior to next year?
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12-08-2011, 02:49 PM	#215
Tribal Warfare Man of Culture Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Far Beyond Comprehension Casino cash: $-2847187	It's simple as this Haley "outsmarted" himself with the short TC practice field preseason game strategy, hence in the beginning of the year we were out of shape and got killed by injuries, the Gaither thing pisses me off to no end considering how well he performed for SD while only being on the team for only week after being cut by the Chiefs. I can understand why Haley started Palko in the beginning and why they got Orton but after seeing Palko totally stink it up Haley should've allowed Stanzi to get his shot. ( **** at least have all three QB's active during games) The way he's handling the QB situation is what really gets me. __________________
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ShowtimeSBMVP Chiefs Join Date: Feb 2009 Casino cash: $1276009	http://www.bbs.tbaybucs.com/index.ph...1-fire-raheem/ Buc fans think the the team has quit on morris can you say that about haley?
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12-08-2011, 03:11 PM	#222
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