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Hearing Todd Haley is on the Cardinals radar .... the plot thickens. #justsayin

Cardinals plan to speak with Haley about return

Cardinals coach Ken Whisenhunt is expected to talk to former Chiefs coach Todd Haley about a position on the Cardinals coaching staff, according to NFL sources.

Haley, the Cardinals offensive coordinator from 2007 through 2009, was fired by the Chiefs in December when the Chiefs had a 5-8 record. Haley was 19-27 as a head coach and his Chiefs team won the AFC West title in 2010.

Haley and Cardinals coach Ken Whisenhunt have been friends for years, and Haley was offensive coordinator in 2008 and 2009 when the Cardinals won consecutive NFC West titles.

It’s unknown what title Haley would have should he return to the Cardinals, but he likely would be place in charge of the offense again.

The Cardinals have not been nearly as good on offense since Haley left, but his departure also coincided with the retirement of quarterback Kurt Warner. The Cardinals have had four different starting quarterbacks since Warner retired.

When Haley left, Mike Miller was promoted from receivers coach to passing game coordinator. Russ Grimm was assistant head coach/offensive line and run game coordinator. After that season, Miller was promoted to offensive coordinator, while Grimm remained assistant head coach. He continued to have a strong influence on the offensive game plan.

Whisenhunt would have to create a position for Haley, which would mean either re-organizing his existing coaching staff or adding a coach.

Haley is fiery and emotional, and several Cardinals players, including receiver Larry Fitzgerald, credit Haley with challenging them to become better players.

Haley, however, can be an acquired taste, and not everyone develops it. Haley and Chiefs General Manager Scott Pioli reportedly had a contentious relationship, a factor that played into Haley’s dismissal.

Titty Meat · 01-08-2012, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

People that know the whole story.

Pioli forced him to play Palko right?

**RealSNR** · 01-08-2012, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

He will succeed and get a HC job again in the future. Yea he was an issue but Pioli is the biggest issue and it will be proven.

Who was responsible for this miscarriage?

If it's Pioli, then he should get the ax.

From what we hear, that one was all Haley.

chiefzilla1501 · 01-08-2012, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini

Pioli forced him to play Palko right?

He kind of did, by not doing a damn thing in 3 years to adjust the QB depth.

I think people are making way too much out of this QB conspiracy. His decision was to start Palko over Stanzi. Agree or disagree, there are legit reasons to make that decision. In terms of Orton, he decided not to rush forcing him onto the team without knowing the playbook or rushing him back from injury. Maybe a bit conservatively, but again there are reasons.

It's all conspiracy theory.

O.city · 01-08-2012, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

He kind of did, by not doing a damn thing in 3 years to adjust the QB depth.

I think people are making way too much out of this QB conspiracy. His decision was to start Palko over Stanzi. Agree or disagree, there are legit reasons to make that decision. In terms of Orton, he decided not to rush forcing him onto the team without knowing the playbook or rushing him back from injury. Maybe a bit conservatively, but again there are reasons.

It's all conspiracy theory.

Thats all good for 2 games. But after we saw what Palko brought there was no reason for that to happen again.

Orton after being here two weeks would have been a better option.

Haley, starting Palko, more than likely cost us the AFCW division champ.

**RealSNR** · 01-08-2012, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I think people are making way too much out of this QB conspiracy. His decision was to start Palko over Stanzi. Agree or disagree, there are legit reasons to make that decision.

Like what?

STANZI WASN'T READY LOL????????

chiefzilla1501 · 01-08-2012, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Thats all good for 2 games. But after we saw what Palko brought there was no reason for that to happen again.

Orton after being here two weeks would have been a better option.

Haley, starting Palko, more than likely cost us the AFCW division champ.

I don't agree with the decision to start Palko against Chicago. But Haley made the clear QB switch in the 2nd quarter to Orton before he got injured. After he got injured, who knows if Haley would have started Palko or Orton against Green Bay. I'm sure he would have.

I blame him for being overly conservative in handling that situation in that he waited for Orton to be put in a comfortable situation before putting him in. Maybe in handling Stanzi, but we have absolutely no idea where he is in development right now.

But that's different from saying he was doing it to spite the organization.

And no, I don't think that cost us the AFCW championship. Who knows if Orton's finger was at all ready to play against the Jets. And who knows how well Stanzi would have played.

DTLB58 · 01-08-2012, 01:15 PM

[QUOTE=O.city;8274804]Thats all good for 2 games. But after we saw what Palko brought there was no reason for that to happen again.

Orton after being here two weeks would have been a better option.

Haley, starting Palko, more than likely cost us the AFCW division champ.[/QUOTE

Or just as simple as Bowe dropping the F-ing ball in the gosh darn end zone could be seen as costing the division also.

chiefzilla1501 · 01-08-2012, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

Like what?

STANZI WASN'T READY LOL????????

We have no ****ing clue how ready Stanzi is. Maybe he was being overly conservative. Or maybe he is very unprepared. There are good reasons to believe either story. Without knowing the answer, it's ridiculous to make accusations as if we know for sure.

chiefzilla1501 · 01-08-2012, 01:19 PM

For the record, I'm not a big fan of him from a playcalling standpoint. He was a lot more conservative than I thought he'd be. But coupled with a strong playcaller like Whisenhunt, it's a good match.

I still believe that matched up with the right front office, Haley has the upside to be a good head coach. I'm not backing off of that. I think he handled his relationship with Pioli like a little child, but I also believe that Pioli treated him like a child, so...

htismaqe · 01-08-2012, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

For the record, I'm not a big fan of him from a playcalling standpoint. He was a lot more conservative than I thought he'd be. But coupled with a strong playcaller like Whisenhunt, it's a good match.

I still believe that matched up with the right front office, Haley has the upside to be a good head coach. I'm not backing off of that. I think he handled his relationship with Pioli like a little child, but I also believe that Pioli treated him like a child, so...

He had to be conservative. He was given the 2nd worst QB in the league in YPA.

htismaqe · 01-08-2012, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

People still defend Haley?

Really?

Not defending Haley. Just not willing to say that he was THE problem here.

Because he wasn't.

O.city · 01-08-2012, 01:38 PM

Anyone remember how bad our qb was against the Steelers? No reason to trot that back out there.

I agree with htis, Haley was a problem but not the problem.

I will say, if Pioli can get a franchise qb, he'll have done a pretty good job, roster wise here.

mnchiefsguy · 01-08-2012, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

He kind of did, by not doing a damn thing in 3 years to adjust the QB depth.

I think people are making way too much out of this QB conspiracy. His decision was to start Palko over Stanzi. Agree or disagree, there are legit reasons to make that decision. In terms of Orton, he decided not to rush forcing him onto the team without knowing the playbook or rushing him back from injury. Maybe a bit conservatively, but again there are reasons.

It's all conspiracy theory.

Bull. Orton was clearly the best choice to start. Haley deserved to be fired. If Orton starts, we finish at least 8-8.

Pioli went out and spent an extra 3 million or so to get Orton for less than half a season. Pioli provided a better alternative to Palko, it was Haley who failed to utilize it.

**BossChief** · 01-08-2012, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini

Pioli forced him to play Palko right?

It's possible.

Even Tom Brady was kept inactive his whole rookie year and Orton had a broken index finger on his throwing hand.

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Originally Posted by mnchiefsguy

Bull. Orton was clearly the best choice to start. Haley deserved to be fired. If Orton starts, we finish at least 8-8.

Pioli went out and spent an extra 3 million or so to get Orton for less than half a season. Pioli provided a better alternative to Palko, it was Haley who failed to utilize it.

Orton had a broken index finger on his throwing hand.

O.city · 01-08-2012, 01:56 PM

Well Orton did have the broken finger becasue we didn't start him in Chicago, brought him in in the second quarter and ran a first play flea flicker.

So....

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ShowtimeSBMVP Chiefs Join Date: Feb 2009 Casino cash: $1286009	Todd Haley going back to the Cardinals? mikejureckiMike Jurecki Hearing Todd Haley is on the Cardinals radar .... the plot thickens. #justsayin Cardinals plan to speak with Haley about return Cardinals coach Ken Whisenhunt is expected to talk to former Chiefs coach Todd Haley about a position on the Cardinals coaching staff, according to NFL sources. Haley, the Cardinals offensive coordinator from 2007 through 2009, was fired by the Chiefs in December when the Chiefs had a 5-8 record. Haley was 19-27 as a head coach and his Chiefs team won the AFC West title in 2010. Haley and Cardinals coach Ken Whisenhunt have been friends for years, and Haley was offensive coordinator in 2008 and 2009 when the Cardinals won consecutive NFC West titles. It’s unknown what title Haley would have should he return to the Cardinals, but he likely would be place in charge of the offense again. The Cardinals have not been nearly as good on offense since Haley left, but his departure also coincided with the retirement of quarterback Kurt Warner. The Cardinals have had four different starting quarterbacks since Warner retired. When Haley left, Mike Miller was promoted from receivers coach to passing game coordinator. Russ Grimm was assistant head coach/offensive line and run game coordinator. After that season, Miller was promoted to offensive coordinator, while Grimm remained assistant head coach. He continued to have a strong influence on the offensive game plan. Whisenhunt would have to create a position for Haley, which would mean either re-organizing his existing coaching staff or adding a coach. Haley is fiery and emotional, and several Cardinals players, including receiver Larry Fitzgerald, credit Haley with challenging them to become better players. Haley, however, can be an acquired taste, and not everyone develops it. Haley and Chiefs General Manager Scott Pioli reportedly had a contentious relationship, a factor that played into Haley’s dismissal. Last edited by ShowtimeSBMVP; 01-05-2012 at 11:00 PM..
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DTLB58 DT CARD COLLECTOR Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: ManCave Casino cash: $10005837	[QUOTE=O.city;8274804]Thats all good for 2 games. But after we saw what Palko brought there was no reason for that to happen again. Orton after being here two weeks would have been a better option. Haley, starting Palko, more than likely cost us the AFCW division champ.[/QUOTE Or just as simple as Bowe dropping the F-ing ball in the gosh darn end zone could be seen as costing the division also. __________________ 667 Different DT cards and counting
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chiefzilla1501 In Search of a Life Join Date: Aug 2008 Casino cash: $-1585503	For the record, I'm not a big fan of him from a playcalling standpoint. He was a lot more conservative than I thought he'd be. But coupled with a strong playcaller like Whisenhunt, it's a good match. I still believe that matched up with the right front office, Haley has the upside to be a good head coach. I'm not backing off of that. I think he handled his relationship with Pioli like a little child, but I also believe that Pioli treated him like a child, so...
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O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $-565936	Anyone remember how bad our qb was against the Steelers? No reason to trot that back out there. I agree with htis, Haley was a problem but not the problem. I will say, if Pioli can get a franchise qb, he'll have done a pretty good job, roster wise here.
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O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $-565936	Well Orton did have the broken finger becasue we didn't start him in Chicago, brought him in in the second quarter and ran a first play flea flicker. So....
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