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**AustinChief** · 02-07-2012, 01:09 AM

OK let's say Pioli is NOT convinced that Cassel is the only QB for us but can't work out a trade UP for RGIII or Luck. He looks at the free agents and decides they are stop gaps at best. SO...

He either trades way DOWN in the first round and picks a QB (slight reach) or he takes a QB in the second round.

Would that significantly change your opinion of Pioli?

(polli to follow)

jd1020 · 02-07-2012, 08:54 AM

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Probably easier than trying to get to the #2 pick this year.

Ya. I'm sure a team in the early second is going to want to leap frog 20 or so picks to draft a tackle.

Hydrae · 02-07-2012, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

Ya. I'm sure a team in the early second it going to want to leap frog 20 or so picks to draft a tackle.

Richardson!

jd1020 · 02-07-2012, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Hydrae

Richardson!

Just assuming a player on most everyones top 5 is going to drop to 11th/12th?

Hydrae · 02-07-2012, 09:05 AM

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Just assuming a player on most everyones top 5 is going to drop to 11th/12th?

There seem to quite a few people around here who think he will be available at that pick.

My point still stands. I do not want to see us take a second tier QB this year, I want to see this draft used to stockpile whatever is needed to get someone at the top next season. And no, I am not one to root for losses to improve drafting position.

trndobrd · 02-07-2012, 09:06 AM

If there is no way to make a deal to move up for RGIII, and the Chiefs realistically won't be able to win the bidding war, I would be fine with a trade down...ONLY IF...in addition to a second tier QB draft pick Pioli also brings in a legitimate free agent (Orton or someone of that caliber) to compete for the starting job.

jd1020 · 02-07-2012, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by trndobrd

If there is no way to make a deal to move up for RGIII, and the Chiefs realistically won't be able to win the bidding war, I would be fine with a trade down...ONLY IF...in addition to a second tier QB draft pick Pioli also brings in a legitimate free agent (Orton or someone of that caliber) to compete for the starting job.

We aren't going to have 4 QBs on the roster.

tredadda · 02-07-2012, 09:13 AM

It would change my opinion if he at least tried to address the QB situation. Luck might be impossible to trade for and it might be very hard to outbid Cleveland for RGIII. I just want him to at least make a reasonable attempt, not a half hearted one, a reasonable one. If that fails then trade far enough back to still get a good QB without reaching. If he waits till round 3 or later then I don't think he is serious about addressing the QB situation. He could also trade our first this year for someone's first next year considering where we are picking this year. There is no one that we can get at that position that we really need. It would allow us to give it to someone who could use it this year and we could address RT in round 2. Then next year with two #1 picks, we could use that to trade up high enough to get Barkley or someone like that.

Rasputin · 02-07-2012, 09:15 AM

It would get me exited again & little hope, but if Cassel is still the starter then may it rain brimstone and fire aids tree on his head.

trndobrd · 02-07-2012, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

We aren't going to have 4 QBs on the roster.

My preference would be to bring in a legitimate NFL QB free agent and trade down and address other needs. But the question was regarding the selection of a QB in the 2nd or middle rounds.

We can start with four QBs at training camp. Then after a fair and open competition, cut Cassell and/or send one of the QB prospects to the practice squad (or home).

jd1020 · 02-07-2012, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by trndobrd

My preference would be to bring in a legitimate NFL QB free agent and trade down and address other needs. But the question was regarding the selection of a QB in the 2nd or middle rounds.

We can start with four QBs at training camp. Then after a fair and open competition, cut Cassell and/or send one of the QB prospects to the practice squad (or home).

So you'd draft a QB in the 2nd to play on the practice squad or send him home?

tredadda · 02-07-2012, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by trndobrd

My preference would be to bring in a legitimate NFL QB free agent and trade down and address other needs. But the question was regarding the selection of a QB in the 2nd or middle rounds.

We can start with four QBs at training camp. Then after a fair and open competition, cut Cassell and/or send one of the QB prospects to the practice squad (or home).

Buy a lottery ticket because you have a better chance of winning than Cassel being cut.

suds79 · 02-07-2012, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by trndobrd

We can start with four QBs at training camp. Then after a fair and open competition, cut Cassell and/or send one of the QB prospects to the practice squad (or home).

Cutting Cassel, as much as we'd all like to see it, isn't happening.

Then the sending one of the QBs to the practice squad, I think you lose one then.

Because you're talking either Stanzi or some 2nd to mid round draft guy.

That looks bad. Basically we can't carry 4 QBs.

trndobrd · 02-07-2012, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

So you'd draft a QB in the 2nd to play on the practice squad or send him home?

As I said in my earlier post, I would trade down and address other needs and bring in a FA QB.

You would draft a 2nd round QB and watch with baited breath for the competition between Cassell, Stanzi and 2nd Round Reach?

trndobrd · 02-07-2012, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by suds79

Cutting Cassel, as much as we'd all like to see it, isn't happening.

Then the sending one of the QBs to the practice squad, I think you lose one then.

Because you're talking either Stanzi or some 2nd to mid round draft guy.

That looks bad. Basically we can't carry 4 QBs.

Stanzi was a 5th round pick and couldn't move ahead of Tyler Palko on the depth chart. Not sure how moving him to practice squad 'looks bad'.

jd1020 · 02-07-2012, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by trndobrd

As I said in my earlier post, I would trade down and address other needs and bring in a FA QB.

You said you would only agree with a trade down is if in addition to drafting a 2nd round QB the Chiefs brought in a veteran backup/starter to compete with Cassel.

We aren't going to have 4 QBs.

I would agree to drafting a QB in the middle somewhere and having a QB depth chart of Cassel and Stanzi/??? filling in the rest.

Cassel is going to be here, regardless of how anyone on a forum feels.

There aren't any QBs in FA that make you excited, unless you think Brees is going to somehow leave NO.

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tredadda Three-Pat Join Date: May 2011 Location: Colorado Springs Casino cash: $-1914947	It would change my opinion if he at least tried to address the QB situation. Luck might be impossible to trade for and it might be very hard to outbid Cleveland for RGIII. I just want him to at least make a reasonable attempt, not a half hearted one, a reasonable one. If that fails then trade far enough back to still get a good QB without reaching. If he waits till round 3 or later then I don't think he is serious about addressing the QB situation. He could also trade our first this year for someone's first next year considering where we are picking this year. There is no one that we can get at that position that we really need. It would allow us to give it to someone who could use it this year and we could address RT in round 2. Then next year with two #1 picks, we could use that to trade up high enough to get Barkley or someone like that.
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Rasputin Tip of the hat LIV Champs Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: ks Casino cash: $105421	It would get me exited again & little hope, but if Cassel is still the starter then may it rain brimstone and fire aids tree on his head. __________________ "Those who don't believe in magic will never find it"
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