Chiefs Would you pay Bowe $120-130M for 8 years? - Page 11

**jAZ** · 07-08-2012, 07:31 PM

According to...

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Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan

Evan Silva ‏@evansilva

RT @ChiefsOrioles12 Do the Chiefs get Bowe signed long term before the 16th? ... Doubt it. Believed to be seeking big-time money.

Which means...
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d...act-with-lions

Johnson is scheduled to earn close to $130 million over the next eight seasons, including $113.5 million over the final seven years of the deal, league sources told NFL Network insider Jason La Canfora.

The contract includes $4.5 million in an existing roster bonus that's due on the final year of his rookie deal.

The deal also includes $53 million in guaranteed money, with Johnson's $1.25 million base salary in 2012 guaranteed, and $36 million due in signing and option bonuses. According to La Canfora, $11.5 million in future salary is guaranteed for injury only.

The contract makes Johnson -- who scorched the NFL with 96 catches for 1,681 yards and 16 touchdowns in 2011 -- the highest-paid wide receiver in league history, surpassing the eight-year, $120 million deal that Larry Fitzgerald signed with the Arizona Cardinals before last season.

**BossChief** · 07-08-2012, 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Toad King

He signed Brady Quinn to compete at quarterback this offseason.

He drafted a piece of shit Poe.

He brings it on himself.

Brady Quinn was signed to help integrate the playbook and coaching style while pushing Stanzi.

All in all, I still think this is Cassels last stand and that a change will be made to Stanzi sometime this year.

Most likely during game 6.

As for Poe...

If Pioli and Crennel missed on him, that will be the first time they missed on a first round DL.

Seymour
Wilfork
Warren
Jackson

That pick has a.chance to be extremely good.

NJChiefsFan · 07-09-2012, 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Toad King

He signed Brady Quinn to compete at quarterback this offseason.

He drafted a piece of shit Poe.

He brings it on himself.

Pioli has obviously been terrible with the QB situation thus far. As far as everything else roster-wise, not so bad. Especially contract situations. Now he has made a major draft mistake in Jackson(where we got him, he actually isn't bad now as most would agree I imagine). So if you want to use that to judge Poe already ok I guess, although I think that is also using his failure at the QB position to judge him in this debate.

On a full view the QB situation is certainly enough in the end to be his undoing. Thats not what we are looking at here though. Its not about saying should he be here, its about seeing if we think he will do the right thing with Bowe. Considering Jackson was one of his few non-QB mistakes, and that there really haven't been any contract mistakes, I am not really going to throw him under the bus for this. Especially when it hasn't even played out yet.

Now as I said, if one wishes to rip him for future QB moves just based off the past, go ahead. I as well fully expect even more QB mistakes in the future. I figure we can look forward to Matt starting almost no matter what, and that even if he does come out Stanzi won't get the shot. Now certainly that goes on the coach, but it also falls on the GM for blocking the young QB with an average backup, assuming Quinn really hasn't been insanely unlucky so far. I also don't doubt that he won't get rid of Cassel next offseason. But in just trying to figure out how he will handle Bowe, I don't think we allow ourselves a proper guess by letting his QB decisions lead us to our final guess here.

Pasta Little Brioni · 07-09-2012, 05:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Toad King

He signed Brady Quinn to compete at quarterback this offseason.

He drafted a piece of shit Poe.
He brings it on himself.

Like you have a clue about evaluating college players

BoneKrusher · 07-09-2012, 06:06 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

His play on the field justifies that level of pay.

Cassel and Jackson are just examples of where this organization is wasting money that could go to a deserving player.

agreed.

Ace Gunner · 07-09-2012, 06:10 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

Brady Quinn was signed to help integrate the playbook and coaching style while pushing Stanzi.

All in all, I still think this is Cassels last stand and that a change will be made to Stanzi sometime this year.

Most likely during game 6.

As for Poe...

If Pioli and Crennel missed on him, that will be the first time they missed on a first round DL.

Seymour
Wilfork
Warren
Jackson

That pick has a.chance to be extremely good.

Good points. I do not expect to see Cassel benched this season unless the team is out of the playoffs. I'd expect they go with Brady Quinn next.

Poe should be a good player after a few seasons, he doesn't have much technique right now. For this season, I expect them to use him as a pass rusher DE more than anything.

Dwayne Bowe can negotiate with other teams right now, he can initiate a trade without the "2 first round picks" a franchise tag requires, because he's not actually franchised until he signs the franchise contract.

The Chiefs can still sign Dwayne Bowe to a long term contract. This window is open until the 16th of this month. But, this also means they can trade him for any compensation they choose if they get Bowe to sign a contract other than the franchised type.

From ESPN;

"Deadline for long-term deals: Franchise players have until July 16 to sign their franchise players to long-term contracts. The date is usually July 15, but it is the 16th this year because the 15th falls on a Sunday. Past that date, teams can sign their franchise players only to one-year deals. They cannot reach extensions until after their final regular-season games."

http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/po...franchise-tags

Reerun_KC · 07-09-2012, 06:15 AM

I wont be paying a ****ing dime to Bowe and really dont give a shit what they pay him...

He isnt on my financial balance sheet. So he can basically go **** himself...

**MahiMike** · 07-09-2012, 06:16 AM

Never. We are the Patriots of the midwest. Once they get that expensive, we move on.

Pasta Little Brioni · 07-09-2012, 06:26 AM

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Originally Posted by MahiMike

Never. We are the Patriots of the midwest. Once they get that expensive, we move on.

Uh, a little light in the hardware department to be making that claim. Yeah, it would sure suck to have 3 titles

scho63 · 07-09-2012, 06:28 AM

He is currently at $9mm for the year. So 8 yrs at his current pay scale would be $72mm

Let's give him a 20-25% raise and we are now at $10.8-$11.25mm or roughly $86-90mm.

That's not even close to $120-130mm

I wouldn't go past $95mm

Chiefnj2 · 07-09-2012, 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Two-Twenty

http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/dal...andon-carr.ece

The Cowboys needed secondary help, so they went out and signed Chiefs cornerback Brandon Carr to a lucrative $50.1 million deal, with roughly half that money guaranteed.

. Cortland Finnegan, another Cowboys free agent target, cost the Rams $50 million ($27 million was guaranteed) -- so maybe the Cowboys did overpay for Carr after all.

Does that make sense? If Finnegan got the same deal as Carr, why does the writer say Carr was overpaid?

**Rausch** · 07-09-2012, 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by scho63

He is currently at $9mm for the year. So 8 yrs at his current pay scale would be $72mm

Let's give him a 20-25% raise and we are now at $10.8-$11.25mm or roughly $86-90mm.

That's not even close to $120-130mm

I wouldn't go past $95mm

The question is who can we get that can play at his level in the next 2 years?

We won't attract a high priced FA with Casshole.

Will. Not. Happen.

Once again: KC will have to overpay to get talent that will sign for less elsewhere. Until we've won a SB it's going to stay that way...

jspchief · 07-09-2012, 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Does that make sense? If Finnegan got the same deal as Carr, why does the writer say Carr was overpaid?

Not really.

It's like Jones said. They paid "retail".

The problem is the Chiefs only buy bargains, and they've conditioned the fans to think its the only way.

DTLB58 · 07-09-2012, 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by okcchief

Bowe is good, but he's not Fitzgerald/Megatron good.

Exactly. He needs to be in the next tier down. I agree with the Roddy White/Vincent Jackson deals. I would say no more than $10 million a season.

Now if I were Bowe, I would want the hell out of KC if they aren't providing me a better QB. So I don't blame him if he eventually forces himself out of KC.

But I would be pissed as hell at Pioli for not keeping Bowe or Carr and not changing the QB situation to want him to stay and bring a championship to KC.

Chiefnj2 · 07-09-2012, 07:52 AM

I don't know why people focus on the big number given out by agents - 8 years 130 million. That's monopoly money. The entire contract is never going to be realized by anyone. You look at the guaranteed money in the first three years. After that, everything is renegotiated/restructured.

Johnson - 50 mil guaranteed.
Fitz - 42 - 50 guaranteed.
Jackson - 37 mil first three years.
Johnson - 24 mil first three years.

qabbaan · 07-09-2012, 07:53 AM

Laughing at you Internet twerps who KNOW that Poe is a piece of garbage and a bust already. You'll probably own jerseys eventually.

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scho63 Politically Incorrect Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Scottsdale, AZ Casino cash: $-880000	He is currently at $9mm for the year. So 8 yrs at his current pay scale would be $72mm Let's give him a 20-25% raise and we are now at $10.8-$11.25mm or roughly $86-90mm. That's not even close to $120-130mm I wouldn't go past $95mm __________________ *"The only difference between sex for free and sex for money is that sex for free costs you a WHOLE LOT more!"* ~Redd Foxx~ ~~2018 2019 2020 20212022 2023~~ 2024 Adopt a Chief - Clark Hunt and Brett Veach "The men who drafted Patrick Mahomes"
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07-09-2012, 07:52 AM	#164
Chiefnj2 In Search of a Life Join Date: Mar 2007 Casino cash: $6654388	I don't know why people focus on the big number given out by agents - 8 years 130 million. That's monopoly money. The entire contract is never going to be realized by anyone. You look at the guaranteed money in the first three years. After that, everything is renegotiated/restructured. Johnson - 50 mil guaranteed. Fitz - 42 - 50 guaranteed. Jackson - 37 mil first three years. Johnson - 24 mil first three years. __________________ Mismanaging the clock.
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