Would you pay Bowe $120-130M for 8 years?

[jAZ]

According to...

Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan

Evan Silva ‏@evansilva

RT @ChiefsOrioles12 Do the Chiefs get Bowe signed long term before the 16th? ... Doubt it. Believed to be seeking big-time money.

Which means...
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d...act-with-lions

Johnson is scheduled to earn close to $130 million over the next eight seasons, including $113.5 million over the final seven years of the deal, league sources told NFL Network insider Jason La Canfora.

The contract includes $4.5 million in an existing roster bonus that's due on the final year of his rookie deal.


The deal also includes $53 million in guaranteed money, with Johnson's $1.25 million base salary in 2012 guaranteed, and $36 million due in signing and option bonuses. According to La Canfora, $11.5 million in future salary is guaranteed for injury only.

The contract makes Johnson -- who scorched the NFL with 96 catches for 1,681 yards and 16 touchdowns in 2011 -- the highest-paid wide receiver in league history, surpassing the eight-year, $120 million deal that Larry Fitzgerald signed with the Arizona Cardinals before last season.

[durtyrute]

Originally Posted by el borracho

Kidding, of course. Although I wouldn't mind trading Bowe for a future first round draft pick with the hope of trading up for a legit QB in next year's draft.

We have a first round Qb now.

[Messier]

Originally Posted by jspchief

Not really.

It's like Jones said. They paid "retail".

The problem is the Chiefs only buy bargains, and they've conditioned the fans to think its the only way.

That's not exactly true. The Chiefs do look for signing FA that are under the radar but that can get comparable production to higher profile FA. The Chiefs didn't resign their own players to bargain deals, but no one really cares or notices when you resign your own players.

[JD10367]

Originally Posted by the Talking Can

which doesn't actually mean anything...

so what's your point, that every player on those teams that didn't make the superbowl is non-essential, or just WRs for some random reason?

Quick, name a top-flight NFL receiver who's won a Super Bowl who isn't named Jerry Rice (who was surrounded by other all-world talent like some guys named Montana and Clark and others).

Point being, "stud WR" is an overrated stat. And "overpaid stud WR" is even worse. One WR does not make a team. And paying out the ass for said WR just means you get to watch a very expensive guy run down the field and not get the ball.

Given the OP guidelines (8 years at $12.5-$16M), you sign him to that and you're on cheap crack.

[Ace Gunner]

Originally Posted by JD10367

Quick, name a top-flight NFL receiver who's won a Super Bowl who isn't named Jerry Rice (who was surrounded by other all-world talent like some guys named Montana and Clark and others).

Point being, "stud WR" is an overrated stat. And "overpaid stud WR" is even worse. One WR does not make a team. And paying out the ass for said WR just means you get to watch a very expensive guy run down the field and not get the ball.

Given the OP guidelines (8 years at $12.5-$16M), you sign him to that and you're on cheap crack.

(in the past decade alone)

Victor Cruz
Hines Ward
Plaxico Burress
Reggie Wayne
Greg Jennings
Troy Vincent

All studs, all caught at least one TD pass during the championship win. All had kill seasons/playoffs leading to the big game.

[Brock]

Originally Posted by chiefsfootballfan

(in the past decade alone)

Victor Cruz
Hines Ward
Plaxico Burress
Reggie Wayne
Greg Jennings
Troy Vincent
Santonio Holmes

All studs, all caught at least one TD pass during the championship win. All had kill seasons/playoffs leading to the big game.

fyp

[Ebolapox]

Originally Posted by chiefsfootballfan

(in the past decade alone)

Victor Cruz
Hines Ward
Plaxico Burress
Reggie Wayne
Greg Jennings
Troy Vincent

All studs, all caught at least one TD pass during the championship win. All had kill seasons/playoffs leading to the big game.

wasn't troy vincent a cornerback?

as to your list...

1) victor cruz has exactly one year of great production. let's give him a year or two before we put him on any of these lists.
2) hines ward...yeah, he's not a top-flight WR. he's a gritty, down the middle third down type target, but he's not a dominator
3) plaxico burress...I'll give you this one
4) reggie wayne...sure, if I'm being generous
5) greg jennings...sure, but like the last two, I'm not sure I'd put him in that top 3-4, upper-echelon.
6) troy vincent obviously doesn't work for previously stated reasons.

[HemiEd]

Originally Posted by jspchief

No way. We need to save that money to sign next year's garbage pile players to one year contracts.

What's the point of suffering through years of crap talent while they build the team from scratch, if they aren't willing to spend to keep the talent they find in the process? Since we didn't build a winner during the window of those rookie contracts, are we going to tear it down again and start over?

We haven't won a playoff game in half a century, but by god look how good we are with the salary cap.

Carl Peterson is proud of you guys.

Exactly, I am still pissed about them not paying Carr. Yeah, I know, he was a Cowboy fan but he should have been given enough $$ to sign anyway.

[Two-Twenty]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Does that make sense? If Finnegan got the same deal as Carr, why does the writer say Carr was overpaid?

The writer claims Jerry Jones himself says he overpaid for Brandon Carr.

[Ace Gunner]

Originally Posted by Brock

fyp

Originally Posted by h5n1

wasn't troy vincent a cornerback?

as to your list...

1) victor cruz has exactly one year of great production. let's give him a year or two before we put him on any of these lists.
2) hines ward...yeah, he's not a top-flight WR. he's a gritty, down the middle third down type target, but he's not a dominator
3) plaxico burress...I'll give you this one
4) reggie wayne...sure, if I'm being generous
5) greg jennings...sure, but like the last two, I'm not sure I'd put him in that top 3-4, upper-echelon.
6) troy vincent obviously doesn't work for previously stated reasons.

Oops, I meant Troy BROWN, Patriots.

You better call Hines a 'stud' or he'll come for ya

Point with this was to say the #1 WR does help in the big game. During big big games, if your offense can get one TD out of the star receiver, it takes the edge off an otherwise typically menacing defense (since all teams at this level of post season play have good defense) and opens up the pass game to other players. Plus, of course, it opens up the run game.

[the Talking Can]

Originally Posted by JD10367

Quick, name a top-flight NFL receiver who's won a Super Bowl who isn't named Jerry Rice (who was surrounded by other all-world talent like some guys named Montana and Clark and others).

Point being, "stud WR" is an overrated stat. And "overpaid stud WR" is even worse. One WR does not make a team. And paying out the ass for said WR just means you get to watch a very expensive guy run down the field and not get the ball.

Given the OP guidelines (8 years at $12.5-$16M), you sign him to that and you're on cheap crack.

huh?....'stud WR' isn't a stat, it's just a description...I have no clue what you are babbling about, but it is nonsense

it's football, 'one [anything]' doesn't make a team (other than QB)...your 'argument' applies to everyone, and no one

as for WRs who have won Superbowl's, are you seriously asking this?

Irvin
Harrison
Bruce
Ward
Fitzgerald (sure as hell wasn't his fault they lost)

pretty much every team in the superbowl, win or lose has a WR with stats identical to Bowe...hell, some had two (Colts, Giants)

we've only got 1 (and a piece of shit QB to boot), and you all have predictably already rationalized letting him walk to save Clark's precious money (the true fan's only true desire)...

[BoneKrusher]

Originally Posted by the Talking Can

we've only got 1 (and a piece of shit QB to boot), and you all have predictably already rationalized letting him walk to save Clark's precious money (the true fan's only true desire)...

Rep!

[Quesadilla Joe]

Originally Posted by JD10367

Quick, name a top-flight NFL receiver who's won a Super Bowl who isn't named Jerry Rice (who was surrounded by other all-world talent like some guys named Montana and Clark and others).

Point being, "stud WR" is an overrated stat. And "overpaid stud WR" is even worse. One WR does not make a team. And paying out the ass for said WR just means you get to watch a very expensive guy run down the field and not get the ball.

Given the OP guidelines (8 years at $12.5-$16M), you sign him to that and you're on cheap crack.

IF IT DIDN'T WORK FOR THE PATRIOTS IT WON'T WORK FOR ANYONE ELSE! BELICHECK KNOWS ALL! THE PATRIOT WAY!!!!!!!/cheatriot fans

[Dayze]

time for Clark to open up the pocket book. he's saved so much money the last 3+ years it's time to pay. Clark/Scooter......uh, it takes some cash to keep good players.

yeah, he's signed DJ, JC, TH...etc. BFD. need more than 3 studs on a team. He goes, this team has virtually no shot.

People that think teams will stack the box and stop the run, ain't seen nothing yet if Bowe is gone.

[Ebolapox]

Originally Posted by chiefsfootballfan

Oops, I meant Troy BROWN, Patriots.

You better call Hines a 'stud' or he'll come for ya

Point with this was to say the #1 WR does help in the big game. During big big games, if your offense can get one TD out of the star receiver, it takes the edge off an otherwise typically menacing defense (since all teams at this level of post season play have good defense) and opens up the pass game to other players. Plus, of course, it opens up the run game.

troy brown was never a top flight WR. the problem here is perspective and how we classify WRs. None of the guys, save a few of them at very select times, has EVER been a "Jerry Rice" type WR. none of them are all-time greats that are, at some point, top 3 in their position.

your premise is correct, though, that having a 'top-flight' WR (top 5-10) can open up the pass game for other players does pass the eye test.

[JD10367]

Originally Posted by Cassel>Manning

IF IT DIDN'T WORK FOR THE PATRIOTS IT WON'T WORK FOR ANYONE ELSE! BELICHECK KNOWS ALL! THE PATRIOT WAY!!!!!!!/cheatriot fans

I'M A DOUCHEBAG WITH NOTHING TO ADD TO THE CONVERSATION!!!!! /you