Should Penn State Get the Death Penalty?

[Trivers]

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/481264...lege_football/


Looks like officials are going from Penn State to state pen. (Sorry, I couldn't help myself.)

What say ye? If so, for how long?

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by vailpass

Forgive me, I thought you were appealing to the NCAA to take action.

Is there someone who should be on trial who isn't/wasn't?

Every single person who is an employee at Penn State that knew child molestation had taken place and didnt alert the authorities.

If it was my kid I dont know how I would be able to restrain myself from seeking revenge on all involved. It would consume me.

Since it wasnt my kid , I dont want to see vigilante justice. There is a public report out there, The Police would be within their rights to bring those people in for questioning. To hear their side, to see if the report was actually true.

[vailpass]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Every single person who is an employee at Penn State that knew child molestation has taken place and didnt alert the authorities.

If it was my kid I dont know how I would be able to restrain myself from seeking revenge on all involved. It would consume me.

Since it wasnt my kid , I dont want to see vigilante justice. There is a public report out there, The Police would be within their rights to bring those people in for questioning. To hear their side, to see if the report was actually true.

Of course, no question. It was my understanding that this is exactly what has happened.

[Setsuna]

If they violated the Clery Act then people are going to lose jobs anyway because the university itself is going to paying a lot of money for it.

[BigMeatballDave]

Originally Posted by Setsuna

If they violated the Clery Act then people are going to lose jobs anyway because the university itself is going to paying a lot of money for it.

Please, they have a $1.7 billion endowment.

[okcchief]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Do you believe that the average University President needs a reminder that covering up the systematic raping of minor children is bad?

Normal people know this. Good, decent human beings with sound judgment know this. If nothing else, the jail time that all those responsible are going to face is going to be a more than ample reminder to anyone that may consider this a viable way of dealing with a situation like this going forward.

If you're a person that's willing to look the other way when you know this is happening - WTF do you care about your program getting the death penalty? Afterall, you're already risking your own freedom and possibly even the financial survival of your family.

There is absolutely nothing that shutting down Penn State football would accomplish that jailing Spanier, Curley and Schultz won't accomplish on its own.

The profits they would lose from not having football would accomplish something. Football is not bigger than life. What went on was beyond ****ing evil and happen to protect the precious football program. This isn't petty bullshit. This is covering up a child molester and giving and giving him an unlimited supply of young boys to rape.

[BigMeatballDave]

Shutting down the program makes zero sense.

Just remove those that were involved with it.

[alnorth]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

**** their manual. You know child rape took place on your property, it was reported to you. You heard other reports of child molestation from other kids about the same guy and you did nothing. Gave him a raise and covered it up. Thats a criminal offense. A go to jail for a long time offense. Its not against the manual to report child rape? Do we really have to spell that out?

Their inaction caused children to be molested later by the same animal. They are just as guilty. They deserve the death penalty.

Well, the NCAA arguably shouldn't be involved for the same reason that the IRS doesn't go after murderers who have complied with all of their tax obligations.

The Department of Education is a different matter, if they make a big deal about the Clery Act violations, then forget about athletics, Penn State would have far more serious consequences to fear.

[Discuss Thrower]

Death Penalty? Maybe not. But I think a 2 or 3 year bowl ban and removal of any non-conference games scheduled in that span should be in order.

[RaiderH8r]

Originally Posted by vailpass

Let's correct an injustice done to some people by committing an injustice on thousands of people.
Brilliant.

The hell is the problem here? They are free to function free of public coffers while the situation is handled. It isn't like PA State is the only option. Frankly I don't know why anyone would want to be affiliated with kiddie rape state anyway.

Gve me one good reason why public dollars should subsidize the legal fallout from kiddie ****ing.

I am essentially advocating for a stronger and broader application of the Clery Act.

[CaliforniaChief]

I personally think a total ban on football while giving players the right to transfer without losing a year is the right thing to do.

USC got a stiff penalty for lack of institutional control which wasn't even a microcosm of what this is.

I think a 3 year ban minimum is the right thing to do. SMU got 2 for point shaving. I think this is much worse.

[jspchief]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

It acts as a deterrent to other universities that if anything happens in your athletic department you better do the right thing.

And you can't act like the President, Vice President and AD are just three ordinary university employees.

Exactly. Make other universities realize that covering this sort of thing up will do more damage to the program than exposing it.

[BigRock]

Hey, look, the people who cried about torch-carrying crazies chasing a poor old coach to his grave are still playing contrarian.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Penn State is a non-entity here. It's not a victim, it's not a felon. It's nothing. It's a University that hires individuals and individuals do awful freakin' things. If a high ranking employee at your office murders someone and uses the garage to dismember the body, then 3 other friends of his help him clean up the blood and don't tell anyone - should they shut the business down?

Your analogy is what doesn't wash. Family members of a convicted felon aren't the convicted felon. There's a clear distinction between the party that's committed the wrong (the felon) and his family members. When you punish Penn State, you're not even attempting to draw a distinction.

You're trying to anthropomorphize

I got this far and then my head exploded.

[WilliamTheIrish]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

A) This is outside the NCAA's Jurisdiction.

B) What has Penn State done wrong? ....

Exactly correct. DJ, I appreciate that you look at this in the proper form. I probably don't have the debate skills to form this argument in the proper manner.

The school did nothing wrong. The untouchables at the top committed these acts and for that they will play the heavy price. That's how it's supposed to work.

[Saul Good]

Originally Posted by WilliamTheIrish

Exactly correct. DJ, I appreciate that you look at this in the proper form. I probably don't have the debate skills to form this argument in the proper manner.

The school did nothing wrong. The untouchables at the top committed these acts and for that they will play the heavy price. That's how it's supposed to work.

It's almost as if the entire institution was lacking control. There's probably a better way to phrase that, but you get the idea.