Music Which was most influential - Page 14

Dr. Johnny Fever · 09-15-2012, 05:10 PM

The Beatles or Elvis Presley. Debergs prog rock thread started me thinking and I thought it was a fairly easy choice until I talked to a few others about it and looked up some numbers. Now it seems like a toss up... although I know what my original gut feeling was.

The Beatles...
Best selling band in history... roughly 1 billion 600 million units sold
22 #1 singles world wide
7 grammys
10 films

Elvis Presley
Best selling solo act in history... roughly 1 billion 600 million units sold
36 #1 singles
3 grammys
33 films

Of course there is plenty of other criteria. What say you though?

**Baby Lee** · 09-15-2012, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Two words: Geffen Records.

You tell them: BULLSHIT! We do NOT make B music here at Geffin. Let's put a stop to that rumor RIGHT now!

**DaneMcCloud** · 09-15-2012, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Johnny Fever

This thread had good footing for a while. Then the usual asswads came in and made asswads of themselves again LOL.

I'm due at a funeral at 9am so Dane asswad can think I gave up if it makes him feel better about himself.

Good thread overall... thanks guys.

Yeah, I'm an "asswad" because I called out your nonsense.

Is this how you always end threads? Take your ball and go home? What a ****ing sore loser.

KChiefer · 09-15-2012, 11:00 PM

Voted Beatles.

A while back PBS did a special called John Lennon's Jukebox. I really enjoyed it! They also released a compilation CD by the same name. The one thing I will always remember for it was them talking about a Gary "US" Bonds song called Watch Your Step. When I heard it, there is a riff that Led Zepplin directly lifted. I can't recall the name of the Zep song. Anyways, it showed me the back and forth between American artists influencing English artists which in turn influenced American artists.

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/gperf/shows/lennon/index.html

PS: Sitting here watching SNL and Frank Ocean just ended his song by playing an arcade game while John Mayer played a guitar solo. We've come a long way baby!

Brock · 09-15-2012, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee

You tell them: BULLSHIT! We do NOT make B music here at Geffin. Let's put a stop to that rumor RIGHT now!

These are big albums. We don't put Wallace Beery on some fruity record about suffering.

**DaneMcCloud** · 09-15-2012, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee

Holy Shit. I'm a big supporter of remix culture, but I hold no fantasies that all previous rights holders were made whole.

There's shit ton that was repurposed without compensation. I've made my peace with it, but I don't claim righteousness.

EDIT: And yes, I'm aware Kirby is a Ginger Chewbacca

We've gone through this before: Copyright law is Lyric and Melody. If those songs were published and copyrighted, the original rights holders should have been compensated.

Now, I cannot claim with any accuracy that those songwriter in the video you provided were paid properly. What I can tell you is that since at least 1993, if there's a copyright/sample/whatever dispute, NO ONE gets paid until they're properly cleared.

Publishers usually work out all the details before songs are released on major labels and I'd imagine that if an Indie label released a record or song in which the label hadn't cleared the samples, they'd be slapped with an immediate injunction. Fortunately, that stuff doesn't happen to often any more.

**Baby Lee** · 09-15-2012, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

We've gone through this before: Copyright law is Lyric and Melody. If those songs were published and copyrighted, the original rights holders should have been compensated.

Now, I cannot claim with any accuracy that those songwriter in the video you provided were paid properly. What I can tell you is that since at least 1993, if there's a copyright/sample/whatever dispute, NO ONE gets paid until they're properly cleared.

Publishers usually work out all the details before songs are released on major labels and I'd imagine that if an Indie label released a record or song in which the label hadn't cleared the samples, they'd be slapped with an immediate injunction. Fortunately, that stuff doesn't happen to often any more.

Are you telling us you have proof that Elvis was alive AND MAKING NEW MUSIC after 1993? That is AMAZING!!!!

**DaneMcCloud** · 09-15-2012, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee

You tell them: BULLSHIT! We do NOT make B music here at Geffin. Let's put a stop to that rumor RIGHT now!

Dude, the amount of marketing and promotion dollars (including the initial video) that went into Nirvana was astonishing.

Hell, Pearl Jam's record had been released in late 1991 with no fanfare. I saw them on the KU Campus in Spring 1992 for FREE. It wasn't until Eddie Vedder publicly lambasted Sony Records for putting all their money into the Spin Doctors that they began promoting Pearl Jam.

**DaneMcCloud** · 09-15-2012, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee

Are you telling us you have proof that Elvis was alive AND MAKING NEW MUSIC after 1993? That is AMAZING!!!!

What? What did I miss?

**Baby Lee** · 09-15-2012, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Dude, the amount of marketing and promotion dollars (including the initial video) that went into Nirvana was astonishing.

Hell, Pearl Jam's record had been released in late 1991 with no fanfare. I saw them on the KU Campus in Spring 1992 for FREE. It wasn't until Eddie Vedder publicly lambasted Sony Records for putting all their money into the Spin Doctors that they began promoting Pearl Jam.

No, no, no. You are right, art isn't art until it's properly promoted.

**DaneMcCloud** · 09-15-2012, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee

No, no, no. You are right, art isn't art until it's properly promoted.

Oh boy.

**Baby Lee** · 09-15-2012, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

What? What did I miss?

You started off stating Elvis didn't steal shit, then backed it up with not knowing shit about IP compensation of the era and assuring us that everything has been copacetic since 1993.

Just following your line of assurance.

**DaneMcCloud** · 09-15-2012, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee

You started off stating Elvis didn't steal shit, then backed it up with not knowing shit about IP compensation of the era and assuring us that everything has been copacetic since 1993.

Just following your line of assurance.

I'd like for you to prove to me that Elvis stole intellectual property.

I'd like for you to prove to me that Bob Dylan stole IP.

I'd also like for you to prove to me that since 1993, things haven't been "copacetic".

Thanks in advance.

**Baby Lee** · 09-15-2012, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Is this how you always end threads? Take your ball and go home? What a ****ing sore loser.

Fore posterity's sake, before the victory laps commence, may I observe that it's ****ing SUNDAY for the bulk of America?

Psyko Tek · 09-15-2012, 11:18 PM

rather listen to eddie and the cruisers

**DaneMcCloud** · 09-15-2012, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee

Fore posterity's sake, before the victory laps commence, may I observe that it's ****ing SUNDAY for the bulk of America?

And that means?

View Poll Results: Who was the most influential?
The Beatles	38	22.09%
Elvis Presley	25	14.53%
John Cafferty & The Beaver Brown Band	102	59.30%
I'm going to make a case for someone else because I'm a moron	7	4.07%
Voters: 172. You may not vote on this poll

09-15-2012, 05:10 PM
Dr. Johnny Fever stax of wax Join Date: Feb 2004 Casino cash: $10004900	Which was most influential The Beatles or Elvis Presley. Debergs prog rock thread started me thinking and I thought it was a fairly easy choice until I talked to a few others about it and looked up some numbers. Now it seems like a toss up... although I know what my original gut feeling was. The Beatles... Best selling band in history... roughly 1 billion 600 million units sold 22 #1 singles world wide 7 grammys 10 films Elvis Presley Best selling solo act in history... roughly 1 billion 600 million units sold 36 #1 singles 3 grammys 33 films Of course there is plenty of other criteria. What say you though?
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09-15-2012, 11:00 PM	#198
KChiefer Fantastic Planeteer Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Champaign, IL Casino cash: $10006721	Voted Beatles. A while back PBS did a special called John Lennon's Jukebox. I really enjoyed it! They also released a compilation CD by the same name. The one thing I will always remember for it was them talking about a Gary "US" Bonds song called Watch Your Step. When I heard it, there is a riff that Led Zepplin directly lifted. I can't recall the name of the Zep song. Anyways, it showed me the back and forth between American artists influencing English artists which in turn influenced American artists. http://www.pbs.org/wnet/gperf/shows/lennon/index.html PS: Sitting here watching SNL and Frank Ocean just ended his song by playing an arcade game while John Mayer played a guitar solo. We've come a long way baby!
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Psyko Tek special teams Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Mesa AZ Casino cash: $10015665	rather listen to eddie and the cruisers __________________ Psyko Tek The keyboard has been drinking,
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