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ShowtimeSBMVP · 09-18-2012, 11:31 AM

Pioli says Chiefs can turn around after 0-2 start
By ADAM TEICHER
The Kansas City Star

Like seemingly much of Kansas City, general manager Scott Pioli is more than a little stunned by the Chiefs’ 0-2 start.

But Pioli said Tuesday that his confidence in the Chiefs is not shaken and he remains convinced the Chiefs can still make something of their season.

“If any one of us knew what the answer was, we wouldn’t be sitting where we’re sitting right now,” Pioli said. “But I also don’t think it’s the end of the world. We have 14 games left. We’re certainly digging a hole but it’s not something we can’t get out of. Everyone within the organization is disappointed in the results so far. We’re all surprised because I don’t think any one of us went into the season thinking we would be 0-2. I don’t think any of us anticipated that.

“(He expects the Chiefs) to improve, get better and start winning some games in whatever order that is. Those are my expectations, but I want to be clear those are mine and our expectations. I think those are the players’ expectations, the coaching staff, the fan base. Our expectations at the beginning of this year were that we were going to be winning games. Right now, we haven’t done that. (But) we’re two games into a 16-game season.”

The Chiefs are one of six 0-2 teams in the NFL, but they weren’t close to winning either game. Their scoring differential of minus-34 points is second-worst in the league behind only Tennessee.

As the general manager, Pioli built the roster. Asked whether he was guilty of overestimating the abilities of some of the Chiefs’ players, Pioli said, “We think the roster is good enough. I think it is. Now it comes down to executing. We improved this team through free agency and did quite a bit of spending to improve this team whether it was contract extensions or the signing of other players. Time will tell if it was enough. I think it was.”

Regarding their spending, figures supplied by the NFL Players Association showed the Chiefs to have more than $26 million in available room under the league’s salary cap. Pioli said he didn’t regret not using more of that available cap space when the Chiefs built their roster.

“I think there are things we did do that helped this football team,” Pioli said. “I also know for a fact that this year alone we’re spending over $141 million in cash this year. That’s more than $20 million over the cap.

“It’s been proven time and time again that there’s not a direct correlation between spending cap dollars and winning. There’s not.”

Pioli said the Chiefs would need to allocate some of their available 2012 salary cap space toward the 2013 cap. He didn’t provide 2013 cap figures, but his comments indicate the Chiefs might otherwise be snug against the cap next season.

“We had better have cap room this year to roll over for next year to make sure we’re (in good shape),” Pioli said. “(Using available salary cap space) is not a year-by-year, fly-by-the-seat-of-your-pants thing.

Pioli during the offseason also hired Romeo Crennel as head coach, promoting him from defensive coordinator. Crennel finished last season as the interim coach. The Chiefs went 2-1 in those games and fell just short of making the playoffs and completing a dramatic turnaround.

Crennel remains the defensive coordinator this season as well. But the poor play of the Chiefs’ defense is a big reason for the 0-2 start. They have allowed 75 points, which is tied for worst in the league.

Asked whether Crennel was the right coach to direct the Chiefs out of their hole, Pioli said, “Absolutely he is. I think he’s doing a good job. I really do.”

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2012/09/18...#storylink=cpy

Hammock Parties · 09-21-2012, 03:31 AM

Some people just don't get it.

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I HATE excuses, and this team looks like absolute crap, but the coaches and players of THIS YEAR’s team have had very little time together in the newly established roles. It was folly to expect ANYONE named the HC after Haley to come out and do much of anything this season to be completely honest.

Crennel might very well be a terrible HC, and the players just may not have as much talent as we thought they did – but this is their first season together, period. This perspective cannot continue to be overlooked by anyone. We’re all sick of being irrelevant, but expecting no problems this year was horribly short-sighted by way too many people.

jspchief · 09-21-2012, 04:44 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackBob

**** you LIAR. It's about Carr and 30% rule ****er

Are you really this stupid?

That 30% rule refers to the tender for a FRANCHISE TAG for an UNRESTRICTED free agent.

The 1st round tender they placed on Brandon Carr was a RESTRICTED free agent tender.

You need to educate yourself on the difference between restricted and unrestricted free agents.

In the 2011 free agency period, Carr was a restricted free agent. At that point, the Chiefs are allowed to place a tender on Carr. Carr can negotiate with other teams, but the Chiefs have a right to match any offer. If the Chiefs decide to not match another team's offer, that team must give KC a draft pick that corresponds with the draft pick tender they placed on Carr. In other words, once the chiefs placed a 1st round tender on Carr, any team that wanted to sign Carr while he was a restricted free agent forfeits a 1st round pick to KC.

That tender has absolutely zero bearing on what happens to Carr in the 2012 free agency period, when he becomes an unrestricted free agent. That tender is not what makes Carr an unrestricted free agent. He becomes unrestricted by nature of serving his 4th year in the league.

The 30% stuff that you are talking about is related to a franchise tag tender which is in no way related/tied to the UFA tender. They are two completely different kinds of tenders.

You are an idiot and have wasted several posts arguing with Dane over something you are completely ****ing confused about.

**007** · 09-21-2012, 05:04 AM

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Originally Posted by jspchief

Are you really this stupid?

That 30% rule refers to the tender for a FRANCHISE TAG for an UNRESTRICTED free agent.

The 1st round tender they placed on Brandon Carr was a RESTRICTED free agent tender.

You need to educate yourself on the difference between restricted and unrestricted free agents.

In the 2011 free agency period, Carr was a restricted free agent. At that point, the Chiefs are allowed to place a tender on Carr. Carr can negotiate with other teams, but the Chiefs have a right to match any offer. If the Chiefs decide to not match another team's offer, that team must give KC a draft pick that corresponds with the draft pick tender they placed on Carr. In other words, once the chiefs placed a 1st round tender on Carr, any team that wanted to sign Carr while he was a restricted free agent forfeits a 1st round pick to KC.

That tender has absolutely zero bearing on what happens to Carr in the 2012 free agency period, when he becomes an unrestricted free agent. That tender is not what makes Carr an unrestricted free agent. He becomes unrestricted by nature of serving his 4th year in the league.

The 30% stuff that you are talking about is related to a franchise tag tender which is in no way related/tied to the UFA tender. They are two completely different kinds of tenders.

You are an idiot and have wasted several posts arguing with Dane over something you are completely ****ing confused about.

Exercise in futility my friend. He will never get it.

**Nzoner** · 09-21-2012, 07:05 AM

I know CP encourages new membership and the like but I think it's time that we had some kind of a test one must pass to become a full fledged member.

**Dave Lane** · 09-21-2012, 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I have to say, in my 12+ years as a member of Chiefsplanet, I've never come across someone as asinine and delusional as yourself.

What planet are you from?

Oh, and yes, as everyone else pointed out, YOU ARE ****ING WRONG!

Dude is setting a bar that gonna be impossible for future n00bs to ever feel like they have a shot at surpassing. His first 4 months are the stuff of reerun legends.

mcaj22 · 09-21-2012, 07:23 AM

has there been a CP Noob of the year contest/award/vote yet. I know there is something like that around here, but anyway this year you dont even have to go through all the trouble of making a thread and nominating users just hand the trophy to BlackBob

Molitoth · 09-21-2012, 07:33 AM

Quote:

I HATE excuses, and this team looks like absolute crap, but the coaches and players of THIS YEAR’s team have had very little time together in the newly established roles. It was folly to expect ANYONE named the HC after Haley to come out and do much of anything this season to be completely honest.

Crennel might very well be a terrible HC, and the players just may not have as much talent as we thought they did – but this is their first season together, period. This perspective cannot continue to be overlooked by anyone. We’re all sick of being irrelevant, but expecting no problems this year was horribly short-sighted by way too many people.

Signed: Jim Harbaugh

ottawa_chiefs_fan · 09-21-2012, 08:01 AM

FYP

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Originally Posted by Nzoner

I know the Internet encourages new membership and the like but I think it's time that we had some kind of a test one must pass to become a full fledged member.

Molitoth · 09-21-2012, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Nzoner
I know the Internet encourages new membership and the like but I think it's time that we had some kind of a test one must pass to become a full fledged member.

Or a Messageboard roadmap.

Do you like Cassel?

If No then GOTO Chiefsplanet.
If YES then GOTO Chiefscoallition

Etc...

Black Bob · 09-21-2012, 08:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jspchief

Are you really this stupid?

That 30% rule refers to the tender for a FRANCHISE TAG for an UNRESTRICTED free agent.

The 1st round tender they placed on Brandon Carr was a RESTRICTED free agent tender.

You need to educate yourself on the difference between restricted and unrestricted free agents.

In the 2011 free agency period, Carr was a restricted free agent. At that point, the Chiefs are allowed to place a tender on Carr. Carr can negotiate with other teams, but the Chiefs have a right to match any offer. If the Chiefs decide to not match another team's offer, that team must give KC a draft pick that corresponds with the draft pick tender they placed on Carr. In other words, once the chiefs placed a 1st round tender on Carr, any team that wanted to sign Carr while he was a restricted free agent forfeits a 1st round pick to KC.

That tender has absolutely zero bearing on what happens to Carr in the 2012 free agency period, when he becomes an unrestricted free agent. That tender is not what makes Carr an unrestricted free agent. He becomes unrestricted by nature of serving his 4th year in the league.

The 30% stuff that you are talking about is related to a franchise tag tender which is in no way related/tied to the UFA tender. They are two completely different kinds of tenders.

You are an idiot and have wasted several posts arguing with Dane over something you are completely ****ing confused about.

You're an idiot. Read my post. "The 30% rule" has NOTHING to do with TENDERS. The argument was that he had to reach UFA status before we could attempt to resign him bcause the raise he got was over 30% of his 2010 salary. That is called the 30% rule and I posted a link.

Yes, we could have signed to a bigger contract IF a team had offered him a deal and we wanted to match it but that was the only way we could have tried to sign him before March. No one offered and therefore the 30% rule was in effect. In fact it was in effect by the old cba definition for 2011 as part of the new cba agreement.

Dane's argument was that we could resign him and he was ****ing wrong. We never had a shot until he hit the UFA market. The players love this rule. They always have. Sometimes guys even get released because of it. The 30% rule was a different angle I was taking to the same fact.

THE FACT THAT WE COULD NOT RESIGN CARR UNTIL MARCH.

Don't try and spin this. You don't know the whole deal either but, just like Dane, you should. I described it in detail and gave a link you dumb ****. Hell, I even posted a link to the CP discussion about it months ago.

This exactly the sort of thing I am talking about. People don't read around here. There is a whole ****ing section in the cba about the "30 PERCENT RULE."

Black Bob · 09-21-2012, 08:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Molitoth

Or a Messageboard roadmap.

Do you like Cassel?

If No then GOTO Chiefsplanet.
If YES then GOTO Chiefscoallition

Etc...

Yeah, there are really Chiefs fans that are still out there that think Matt Cassel is the answer....

What a ****ing dumbass you are.

**Nzoner** · 09-21-2012, 09:54 AM

Urc Burry · 09-21-2012, 10:00 AM

Blackbob is right about B. Carr. It was pretty widely known that we couldn't sign Carr until March. And he took his dream job for the cowboys

**DaneMcCloud** · 09-21-2012, 10:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackBob

Dane's argument was that we could resign him and he was ****ing wrong. We never had a shot until he hit the UFA market. The players love this rule. They always have. Sometimes guys even get released because of it. The 30% rule was a different angle I was taking to the same fact.

No, it wasn't, you ****ing illiterate Mongoloid. This is EXACTLY what I said:

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Carr's agent and Pioli could have negotiated a contract, which Carr could have signed the minute the season was over.

It didn't happen.

Now, get back to double-teaming your Mom and favorite Aunt.

**DaneMcCloud** · 09-21-2012, 10:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urc Burry

Blackbob is right about B. Carr. It was pretty widely known that we couldn't sign Carr until March. And he took his dream job for the cowboys

Blackbob is a drooling, blabbering Mongo.

09-18-2012, 11:31 AM
ShowtimeSBMVP Chiefs Join Date: Feb 2009 Casino cash: $1306009	Pioli says Chiefs can turn around after 0-2 start Pioli says Chiefs can turn around after 0-2 start By ADAM TEICHER The Kansas City Star Like seemingly much of Kansas City, general manager Scott Pioli is more than a little stunned by the Chiefs’ 0-2 start. But Pioli said Tuesday that his confidence in the Chiefs is not shaken and he remains convinced the Chiefs can still make something of their season. “If any one of us knew what the answer was, we wouldn’t be sitting where we’re sitting right now,” Pioli said. “But I also don’t think it’s the end of the world. We have 14 games left. We’re certainly digging a hole but it’s not something we can’t get out of. Everyone within the organization is disappointed in the results so far. We’re all surprised because I don’t think any one of us went into the season thinking we would be 0-2. I don’t think any of us anticipated that. “(He expects the Chiefs) to improve, get better and start winning some games in whatever order that is. Those are my expectations, but I want to be clear those are mine and our expectations. I think those are the players’ expectations, the coaching staff, the fan base. Our expectations at the beginning of this year were that we were going to be winning games. Right now, we haven’t done that. (But) we’re two games into a 16-game season.” The Chiefs are one of six 0-2 teams in the NFL, but they weren’t close to winning either game. Their scoring differential of minus-34 points is second-worst in the league behind only Tennessee. As the general manager, Pioli built the roster. Asked whether he was guilty of overestimating the abilities of some of the Chiefs’ players, Pioli said, “We think the roster is good enough. I think it is. Now it comes down to executing. We improved this team through free agency and did quite a bit of spending to improve this team whether it was contract extensions or the signing of other players. Time will tell if it was enough. I think it was.” Regarding their spending, figures supplied by the NFL Players Association showed the Chiefs to have more than $26 million in available room under the league’s salary cap. Pioli said he didn’t regret not using more of that available cap space when the Chiefs built their roster. “I think there are things we did do that helped this football team,” Pioli said. “I also know for a fact that this year alone we’re spending over $141 million in cash this year. That’s more than $20 million over the cap. “It’s been proven time and time again that there’s not a direct correlation between spending cap dollars and winning. There’s not.” Pioli said the Chiefs would need to allocate some of their available 2012 salary cap space toward the 2013 cap. He didn’t provide 2013 cap figures, but his comments indicate the Chiefs might otherwise be snug against the cap next season. “We had better have cap room this year to roll over for next year to make sure we’re (in good shape),” Pioli said. “(Using available salary cap space) is not a year-by-year, fly-by-the-seat-of-your-pants thing. Pioli during the offseason also hired Romeo Crennel as head coach, promoting him from defensive coordinator. Crennel finished last season as the interim coach. The Chiefs went 2-1 in those games and fell just short of making the playoffs and completing a dramatic turnaround. Crennel remains the defensive coordinator this season as well. But the poor play of the Chiefs’ defense is a big reason for the 0-2 start. They have allowed 75 points, which is tied for worst in the league. Asked whether Crennel was the right coach to direct the Chiefs out of their hole, Pioli said, “Absolutely he is. I think he’s doing a good job. I really do.” Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2012/09/18...#storylink=cpy
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