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Old 09-16-2013, 11:17 AM  
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So who are the goats on our offensive line and how do we fix it?
And no, I don't mean the acronym for "Greatest Of All Time".

If you ask me, Branden Albert was the only one yesterday playing what Romeo would call good football. The difference in line play between when Albert was on the field and when Stephenson was filling in for him was night and day, and that's just at one position.

Fisher's problems have been noted by other people. He's still getting held upright in unbalanced stances half the time, which makes him pretty easy to push back into the pocket. Only thing I imagine we can do there is hope he figures shit out as the season goes on. Perhaps even look to next offseason as a time when he can really get this bullshit out of his system for good.

In the middle, though, I have no clue what the hell is up. All I know is yesterday the DTs for Dallas allowed no pocket formation of any kind. I can probably count on one hand the number of times Smith had more than 2 seconds to survey the field, step up, and make a throw. Our passing game flourished the most when we rolled him out, or he escaped the collapsed pocket and improvised. God, I never thought I'd hear myself say that about Alex Smith. Weird.

Hudson's hit or miss. I just get the feeling he's not the right type of center to play in the NFL. Never has been. Allen's just meh. Asamoah, like Hudson, is hit or miss, and the mistakes he makes sometimes are inexcusable for the expectations we placed on him as a future starter. He's been doing this for much longer than Hudson or Allen, so he should be a significant notch above them in play, but he's not.

So let's hear your theories. Some of you offensive line junkies (I'm looking at you, milkman) should feel free to diagnose exactly what's wrong with these guys instead of my casual observations of "Hudson sometimes doesn't do a very good job."

Also, with the problems we have going for us right now on the line, I'm beginning to think we need Albert longterm. We probably can't afford him, and we probably won't keep him, but we still need him. If an anchor like him drops out next year, our line's gonna be ****ed pretty hard.
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Old 09-16-2013, 12:07 PM   #31
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Old 09-16-2013, 12:07 PM   #32
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Albert - Chiefs fans favorite whipping boy - is sooo far and away our best OL it is worrying

he seems like the only one willing to lay it on the line...everyone else seems -gasp- soft...
You mean True fans favorite whipping boy, most of the peeps on here love/have loved Albert. It's a good thing we didn't trade him.
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Old 09-16-2013, 12:08 PM   #33
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Old 09-16-2013, 12:09 PM   #34
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Fishers is plenty strong, needs to bend his knee's> He plays too high. As someone already mentioned this is a young line and a new system.
I think we lack a touch of nastiness as well. I know Asamoah was supposed to have that but really...we need nastiness on the line. Not pie-eating, momma's boys that Pioli loved to draft.
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Old 09-16-2013, 12:12 PM   #35
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Aside from Albert, who I do believe will sign long term, the Oline is whiffing pretty badly. Fisher should stay at RT yet rotate Stephenson more frequently. Asamoah has regressed and the job is his to lose with Shwartz waiting in the wings. Hudson probably won't be around next season unless things start to click for him. Hopefully, we'll see marked improvement by mid-season. Reid and Dorsey don't seem like " make do " types.
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Old 09-16-2013, 12:30 PM   #36
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The real problem is Andy has finesse zone blockers running a power scheme.

Hudson is way too small to handle this offense. Boot him and try Asamoah out at center. You honestly can't get much worse. He's smart enough and big enough to do it. Start Schwartz at RG. The fisher problem will take care of itself. He will get better with time.
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I am not worried about Fisher. For as much as we are bashing on him the guy didn't give up much. Especially when compared to the interior.
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The real problem is Andy has finesse zone blockers running a power scheme.

Hudson is way too small to handle this offense. Boot him and try Asamoah out at center. You honestly can't get much worse. He's smart enough and big enough to do it. Start Schwartz at RG. The fisher problem will take care of itself. He will get better with time.

Asamoah = 6'4" 305
Schwartz = 6'6" 340
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That's the thing. Asamoah and Hudson have HAD time. They don't have to be Pro Bowlers, but they should be better than this.
Hudson is playing timid; he was way better before he broke his leg.
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I think Fisher needs to hit the weight room hard and bulk up. Don't think his physical strength is good enough against most D lineman bull rushers.
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Fishers is plenty strong, needs to bend his knee's> He plays too high. As someone already mentioned this is a young line and a new system.
The biggest thing I see with Fischer is that he doesn't sit down in his pass protection good enough and gets pushed back with his shoulders leaning back too much. This is a technique issue and you see it with someone who isn't very comfortable with his back kick. It becomes very apparent with Fischer when he gets beat to the inside because he tries to lean forward a bit to try to compensate for getting his his shoulders worked over. It seems like a fixable technique issue with him. He'll have a bit of trouble before he gets his rhythm and some balance in his kick. The combination of bull rush and then a strong inside move gives me worries with him, but I expect he knows that's a huge weakness as well.
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It's hilarious how people wanna give Hudson so much shit. The guy has started 4-5 freaking games, Jesus H. Christ, maybe give the kid some time?

People wanna hate on Hudson and then say, "Oh I still believe in Asamoah". Fisher, Hudson, Allen and Stephonson all deserve "more time" than Asamoah.
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Schwartz to RG, Asomoah to LG, (should happen but can't given 1.1 selection) Stephenson to RT.
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Albert - Chiefs fans favorite whipping boy - is sooo far and away our best OL it is worrying

he seems like the only one willing to lay it on the line...everyone else seems -gasp- soft...
you are actually whining and bleeding so much it can't be contain in one thread?
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