Xs and Os: The Denver Pick Plays

[listopencil]

Originally Posted by Strongside

That just happen to run receivers into direct contact with a neutral defender and impede their path to the play before the ball is thrown.

They aren't making contact, and it's not the receiver's fault when the cover guy guesses wrong.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by listopencil

They aren't making contact, and it's not the receiver's fault when the cover guy guesses wrong.

Actually in some instances they are making contact but not enough so it's considered "incidental"

[listopencil]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Actually in some instances they are making contact but not enough so it's considered "incidental"

Yeah, I meant meaningful contact.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by listopencil

Yeah, I meant meaningful contact.

They are having the pick guys turn around like they are expecting a pass which is pure bullshit. Look, this is more on the league than it is on Denver. However, as was stated before, we got called 3 times in 1 game last year for this shit and suddenly now it's okay as long as it's Manning.

I would be interested to see other teams do this and see how it gets called.

[listopencil]

Originally Posted by petegz28

They are having the pick guys turn around like they are expecting a pass which is pure bullshit. Look, this is more on the league than it is on Denver. However, as was stated before, we got called 3 times in 1 game last year for this shit and suddenly now it's okay as long as it's Manning.

I would be interested to see other teams do this and see how it gets called.

Denver should take advantage of however the refs are calling every single game they play. The refs tend to suck, they are far from consistent on pass interference (O or D) and this is legal. They'd be stupid not to do it.

[Strongside]

Originally Posted by listopencil

They aren't making contact, and it's not the receiver's fault when the cover guy guesses wrong.

Give me a ****ing break dude. Do you even watch the games? They are making tons of contact. When a ****ing linebacker has to do a swim move on a receiver to get around him...that's the result of an illegal pick play.

[listopencil]

Originally Posted by Strongside

Give me a ****ing break dude. Do you even watch the games? They are making tons of contact. When a ****ing linebacker has to do a swim move on a receiver to get around him...that's the result of an illegal pick play.

You mean that last gif where the LB doesn't adjust to our TE and gets caught in the middle of the field because the D set up wrong? Not our fault, dude. Make that decision before the snap or climb uphill with everybody watching.

[Strongside]

Originally Posted by listopencil

You mean that last gif where the LB doesn't adjust to our TE and gets caught in the middle of the field because the D set up wrong? Not our fault, dude. Make that decision before the snap or climb uphill with everybody watching.

I agree that there is plenty of misalignment going on in those gifs, but I'm not referring specifically to those gifs. Eric Decker today, on several plays, completely blocked a guy before the ball left Manning's hands. Welker too. The screen play to Demaryius Thomas was an obvious one. 2 defenders were engaged by blockers before the pass had been thrown. Jim Nance mentioned something like "Welker did a great job of timing his block just as Manning threw it" but that was bullshit. It was early.

I know we'll see it next week and I know it'll piss me off. I do feel confident though that our secondary is athletic and physical enough to counter it and probably make it work in our favor. Those wheel routes are the ones that Peyton has been picked on...and it's happened because he expects the pick to open the receiver up...when the corner or safety takes a good route to the ball and isn't knocked off his path by one of the other receivers, they're in a prime position to undercut the route and snatch the ball.

[Mother****erJones]

Originally Posted by Strongside

I agree that there is plenty of misalignment going on in those gifs, but I'm not referring specifically to those gifs. Eric Decker today, on several plays, completely blocked a guy before the ball left Manning's hands. Welker too. The screen play to Demaryius Thomas was an obvious one. 2 defenders were engaged by blockers before the pass had been thrown. Jim Nance mentioned something like "Welker did a great job of timing his block just as Manning threw it" but that was bullshit. It was early.

I know we'll see it next week and I know it'll piss me off. I do feel confident though that our secondary is athletic and physical enough to counter it and probably make it work in our favor. Those wheel routes are the ones that Peyton has been picked on...and it's happened because he expects the pick to open the receiver up...when the corner or safety takes a good route to the ball and isn't knocked off his path by one of the other receivers, they're in a prime position to undercut the route and snatch the ball.

Not to mention Chris Clark had a blatant hold on a guy in that play. He practically tried to tackle the defender

[Silock]

Originally Posted by Strongside

I agree that there is plenty of misalignment going on in those gifs, but I'm not referring specifically to those gifs. Eric Decker today, on several plays, completely blocked a guy before the ball left Manning's hands. Welker too. The screen play to Demaryius Thomas was an obvious one. 2 defenders were engaged by blockers before the pass had been thrown. Jim Nance mentioned something like "Welker did a great job of timing his block just as Manning threw it" but that was bullshit. It was early.

I know we'll see it next week and I know it'll piss me off. I do feel confident though that our secondary is athletic and physical enough to counter it and probably make it work in our favor. Those wheel routes are the ones that Peyton has been picked on...and it's happened because he expects the pick to open the receiver up...when the corner or safety takes a good route to the ball and isn't knocked off his path by one of the other receivers, they're in a prime position to undercut the route and snatch the ball.

And if he hesitates because of the coverage, then he'll be saying "Hello" to Misters Hali, Houston and Poe.

[listopencil]

Originally Posted by Strongside

I agree that there is plenty of misalignment going on in those gifs, but I'm not referring specifically to those gifs. Eric Decker today, on several plays, completely blocked a guy before the ball left Manning's hands. Welker too. The screen play to Demaryius Thomas was an obvious one. 2 defenders were engaged by blockers before the pass had been thrown. Jim Nance mentioned something like "Welker did a great job of timing his block just as Manning threw it" but that was bullshit. It was early.

I know we'll see it next week and I know it'll piss me off. I do feel confident though that our secondary is athletic and physical enough to counter it and probably make it work in our favor. Those wheel routes are the ones that Peyton has been picked on...and it's happened because he expects the pick to open the receiver up...when the corner or safety takes a good route to the ball and isn't knocked off his path by one of the other receivers, they're in a prime position to undercut the route and snatch the ball.

I didn't get to watch the entire game, and I was distracted when I did get to watch. I'm not saying it didn't happen. Just that I didn't see it. There is a lot of physical contact going on near the LOS though. Guys on D are trying to knock our guys off of routes, and we're trying to set them up to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. It wouldn't surprise me if Decker got his hands on a guy and started blocking too early.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by listopencil

I didn't get to watch the entire game, and I was distracted when I did get to watch. I'm not saying it didn't happen. Just that I didn't see it. There is a lot of physical contact going on near the LOS though. Guys on D are trying to knock our guys off of routes, and we're trying to set them up to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. It wouldn't surprise me if Decker got his hands on a guy and started blocking too early.

The hold was 5-10 yards downfield

[listopencil]

Originally Posted by petegz28

The hold was 5-10 yards downfield

I don't know which play you are talking about.

[Chiefshrink]

C'mon Chieftan Fans !! Stop will ya !!! Just stop all the 'cheating BS' talk ! All it does is show your anxiety about next week's game. Not my anxiety of course BUT this 'cheating BS talk' reminds me of all the Bronco O-line so-called illegal zone blocking crap

Play the game and let chips fall where they may !! But the Colts did show how to beat the Donks. In Mannings face all game and play man to man in our 2ndary the whole game while we chew up the clock with dink and dunk and the run

[WhiteWhale]

Originally Posted by Chiefshrink

C'mon Chieftan Fans !! Stop will ya !!! Just stop all the 'cheating BS' talk ! All it does is show your anxiety about next week's game. Not my anxiety of course BUT this 'cheating BS talk' reminds me of all the Bronco O-line so-called illegal zone blocking crap

Play the game and let chips fall where they may !! But the Colts did show how to beat the Donks. In Mannings face all game and play man to man in our 2ndary the whole game while we chew up the clock with dink and dunk and the run

I agree, though my opinions on cut blocking have no changed.

I support it, but not under the current rules. It still allows guys to cut defenders from 'blind spots'. They cut guys from behind and if their helmet is in front of the knee it's legal. I don't like that. Personal opinion though.