Chiefs Is the shine on Andy Reid already tarnished a bit? - Page 10

Rexx · 01-05-2014, 03:38 PM

I am still reeling from one of the worst Chief losses in history and I've seen most of them as a fan of 30 years. I like to think I've got pretty good intuition and here is my worry...

It was nice to see Andy Reid turn the ship around so quickly. I don't think any of us envisioned such a quick turnaround, restoring hope to the fan base and putting people in the seats. That being said, I'm concerned that Reid could likely loose control of this ship pretty quickly if things don't progress from this point.

1. Reid obviously has little understanding of clock management. Yes, we heard that from Philly fans...but witnessing it first hand takes any of the doubt away. Up 28, he needs to attempt to burn some clock to limit the Indy possessions. Many issues throughout the season...there has to be someone who can help him with this.

2. He is extremely loyal to his players and assistant coaches. Because of that, we will likely not see any changes to the staff as he has already mentioned. Sorry Reid, but after that kind of meltdown and getting trashed by national media, a change to the defensive coordinator position should be made. Being stuck with Sutton for the next several years is not going to take us to the next level. As mentioned numerous times on this forum, Sutton is unwilling to make changes or bring pressure when needed...he coaches scared! And it appears Reid will allow this to continue as he had 8 weeks to help change it and did not. NOT A GOOD SIGN AT ALL.

3. Reid has always been known as a "players" coach. He doesn't lay blame and players seems to like that. However, I question his ability to motivate his players especially on the defensive side of the ball. You never see any of the coaching staff show much emotion nor the players. Andy sits back staring at his play calling chart and that's about it. Maybe he has a few of the Marty speeches down, but I don't see it on the field. I also know this was a concern in Philly as he didn't always hold his players accountable when looking at results and effort aka Kendrick Lewis.

4. His general lack of commitment to the run. I'm all for passing as it's a passing league. However, when 1st and goal on the 4 yard line...run the damn ball. GEEZ.

I hope I'm wrong, but these issues are pretty alarming and makes me question if Reid is the long term answer even though he won 11 games this year. Things are going to get tougher...he needs to improve or he will sink eventually. My 2 cents.....

I'm starting to think we should have looked at a young, up and coming coach instead of a retread with proven faults. Some may say this is an overreaction coming one day after a playoff loss...but these things have been apparent for the last 8 games. Anyone else feel this way?

Chiefnj2 · 01-06-2014, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Sure-Oz

how hard is this guys? The defense gave up 45 ****ing points and had a 28 point lead. Blaming the offense for any of that game is ridiculous.

If Smith connects with Gray you don't think the outcome is different?

RunKC · 01-06-2014, 10:18 AM

Nobody is bagging the O. It's Reid. You could tell he went into lead protection mode and that's unacceptable

Sure-Oz · 01-06-2014, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

If Smith connects with Gray you don't think the outcome is different?

How about asking the defense to make a ****ing play? Not let their offense score in 2 minute intervals with epic amounts of ease?

They made what 3 total plays at that was turnovers all game? No defense should choke like that being up 4 tds in the 3rd quarter. that should be ballgame

ShowtimeSBMVP · 01-06-2014, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

Nobody is bagging the O. It's Reid. You could tell he went into lead protection mode and that's unacceptable

35 points in 12m this is on the D

**DeezNutz** · 01-06-2014, 10:24 AM

Petro with a great opening monologue. Blows up Sutton. Says that Reid's potential decision to keep him is very reminiscent of Vermeil's misdirected loyalty to inept assistants.

Spot on.

Must have major change on the defensive side of the ball. By the numbers, the Chiefs were among the very worst in the league in the second half of the year.

Sure-Oz · 01-06-2014, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Petro with a great opening monologue. Blows up Sutton. Says that Reid's potential decision to keep him is very reminiscent of Vermeil's misdirected loyalty to inept assistants.

Spot on.

Must have major change on the defensive side of the ball. By the numbers, the Chiefs were among the very worst in the league in the second half of the year.

Career day defense lives, except i dont recall them giving up td drives in 2 min every damn time

**DeezNutz** · 01-06-2014, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Sure-Oz

Career day defense lives, except i dont recall them giving up td drives in 2 min every damn time

I was still optimistic even with the momentum turn on Saturday because I felt like the clock, more than anything, was so far in KC's favor that it was going to be damn near impossible for IND to come all the way back.

Oops.

Mismanagement of a lot of things killed us.

Jimmya · 01-06-2014, 10:33 AM

Blame goes to the whole team.

Simply Red · 01-06-2014, 10:36 AM

I think Andy gets the offense motivated, we just need attention to the defense. Plus add another receiver. I'm pleased with this season - just a drastic blow to absorb, that loss like that.

**HemiEd** · 01-06-2014, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Why can't you fathom that some of the blame can be spread around? When you blow a 28 point second half lead, lots of things went wrong. How about a kickoff return making it past the twenty? Bowe dropping a third down pass? Reid's play calling and use of timeouts? Lack of a pass rush? Smith's strip sack? Houston letting a ball sail right through his hands? Hemingway not blocking for Bowe? Where were KCs defensive leaders? All little things that could have changed the outcome.

That is way too complicated of a thought process for some of these people.

44 points should just be enough, no matter what happened.

ShowtimeSBMVP · 01-06-2014, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by HemiEd

That is way too complicated of a thought process for some of these people.

44 points should just be enough, no matter what happened.

35 points in 12 minutes need i say more? This is on the D 4 touchdown each Under 2 minutes

**HemiEd** · 01-06-2014, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan

35 points in 12 minutes need i say more? This is on the D 4 touchdown each Under 2 minutes

When you are in a shootout, which this was, you have to keep shooting and hitting. No question, the D was pure ass, but they did get 4 turnovers. Alex Smith played his ass off and gave it his all, but he was not without fault and even he says that. It was a team and coaching devastating loss.

ShowtimeSBMVP · 01-06-2014, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by HemiEd

When you are in a shootout, which this was, you have to keep shooting and hitting. No question, the D was pure ass, but they did get 4 turnovers. Alex Smith played his ass off and gave it his all, but he was not without fault and even he says that. It was a team and coaching devastating loss.

38-10 Please tell me again why this game turned into a shootout?

KChiefs1 · 01-06-2014, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by ClevelandBronco

I've read that you don't need a better coach, you just need a better plot line.

The team that draft's Manziel will be on the NFL's favorite list.

jd1020 · 01-06-2014, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan

38-10 Please tell me again why this game turned into a shootout?

Because the Chiefs emptied their clips in the first half while the Colts still had a couple loaded 50 cal's.

01-05-2014, 03:38 PM
Rexx Seeing Red! Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: NM, USA Casino cash: $9965814	Is the shine on Andy Reid already tarnished a bit? I am still reeling from one of the worst Chief losses in history and I've seen most of them as a fan of 30 years. I like to think I've got pretty good intuition and here is my worry... It was nice to see Andy Reid turn the ship around so quickly. I don't think any of us envisioned such a quick turnaround, restoring hope to the fan base and putting people in the seats. That being said, I'm concerned that Reid could likely loose control of this ship pretty quickly if things don't progress from this point. 1. Reid obviously has little understanding of clock management. Yes, we heard that from Philly fans...but witnessing it first hand takes any of the doubt away. Up 28, he needs to attempt to burn some clock to limit the Indy possessions. Many issues throughout the season...there has to be someone who can help him with this. 2. He is extremely loyal to his players and assistant coaches. Because of that, we will likely not see any changes to the staff as he has already mentioned. Sorry Reid, but after that kind of meltdown and getting trashed by national media, a change to the defensive coordinator position should be made. Being stuck with Sutton for the next several years is not going to take us to the next level. As mentioned numerous times on this forum, Sutton is unwilling to make changes or bring pressure when needed...he coaches scared! And it appears Reid will allow this to continue as he had 8 weeks to help change it and did not. NOT A GOOD SIGN AT ALL. 3. Reid has always been known as a "players" coach. He doesn't lay blame and players seems to like that. However, I question his ability to motivate his players especially on the defensive side of the ball. You never see any of the coaching staff show much emotion nor the players. Andy sits back staring at his play calling chart and that's about it. Maybe he has a few of the Marty speeches down, but I don't see it on the field. I also know this was a concern in Philly as he didn't always hold his players accountable when looking at results and effort aka Kendrick Lewis. 4. His general lack of commitment to the run. I'm all for passing as it's a passing league. However, when 1st and goal on the 4 yard line...run the damn ball. GEEZ. I hope I'm wrong, but these issues are pretty alarming and makes me question if Reid is the long term answer even though he won 11 games this year. Things are going to get tougher...he needs to improve or he will sink eventually. My 2 cents..... I'm starting to think we should have looked at a young, up and coming coach instead of a retread with proven faults. Some may say this is an overreaction coming one day after a playoff loss...but these things have been apparent for the last 8 games. Anyone else feel this way?
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01-06-2014, 10:18 AM	#137
RunKC Andy Reid Supporter Join Date: Apr 2012 Casino cash: $-1430389	Nobody is bagging the O. It's Reid. You could tell he went into lead protection mode and that's unacceptable __________________ Mike Greenberg@Espngreeny I can’t fathom what it must be like to be a fan of the #Chiefs. Adopt a Chief: Jared Wiley
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01-06-2014, 10:33 AM	#143
Jimmya Veteran Join Date: Dec 2012 Casino cash: $10014530	Blame goes to the whole team.
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01-06-2014, 10:36 AM	#144
Simply Red You Sweetie! Join Date: Sep 2005 Casino cash: $2021206219 VARSITY	I think Andy gets the offense motivated, we just need attention to the defense. Plus add another receiver. I'm pleased with this season - just a drastic blow to absorb, that loss like that.
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