****OFFICIAL Jayhawks v. Mountaineers Game Thread****

[Ceej]

Last regular season conference game. Let's go, Jayhawkers.

When: 11:00 AM CST
Where: Morgantown, West Virginia
Double Where: ESPN

Kansas Jayhawks 23-7, 14-3

Andrew Wiggins - 16 PPG
Naadir Tharpe - 9.2 PPG
Perry Ellis - 13.2 PPG
Tarik Black - 4.9 PPG
Wayne Selden - 10.2

West Virginia Mountaineers 16-14, 8-9

Juwan Staten - 18.2 PPG
Eron Harris - 17.6 PPG
Terry Henderson - 12.1 PPG
Devin Williams - 8.3 PPG
Remi Dibo - 7.4 PPG

Other Big 12 games of note.

Baylor @ KSU 12:30, ESPN3
Ok. State @ tISU 1:00, ESPN

[BWillie]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

Or if they care at all for the first 30 minutes probably.

Yeah we lost again because we didnt try hard enough. Damn, always happens when we lose. I sure hope we try hard in the NCAA tournament. But, if we dont, surely its because we dont even care if we win or not. Clearly

[BWillie]

Originally Posted by texaschiefsfan

Yeah, I can live with Mason making mistakes. He's proven himself to be a player. Frankamp though, just WTF?!

Frankamp is the inverse type of player I thought he would be. If I wouldn't know anything about his HS career I would assume hes an Aaron Craft type player. Shitty shooter, just scrappy on defense and limits mistakes

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by BWillie

Yeah we lost again because we didnt try hard enough. Damn, always happens when we lose. I sure hope we try hard in the NCAA tournament. But, if we dont, surely its because we dont even care if we win or not. Clearly

Oh, that's right. You're the guy who thinks that effort doesn't make a difference in basketball.

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by BWillie

Frankamp is the inverse type of player I thought he would be. If I wouldn't know anything about his HS career I would assume hes an Aaron Craft type player. Shitty shooter, just scrappy on defense and limits mistakes

Frankamp is one of the worst defensive guards in the country right now. He also can't handle the ball at all. Nothing like Craft.

[Zebedee DuBois]

Originally Posted by Braincase

Late to the thread, Watched the game at the Kansas Craft Brewer's Fest. Glad that all of the games from here forward matter. Oh... I'm beezoed right now, too. If you're going to watch KU lose, do it surrounded by great beer.

I envy you the venue.

Did you taste any Wichita Brewing Co.? I think they do an excellent job on their beers. All solid, with the porter and ipa above average.

[BWillie]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

Frankamp is one of the worst defensive guards in the country right now. He also can't handle the ball at all. Nothing like Craft.

Compared to Tharpe?? Hes way better. You must not watch many other teams play if you think his defense is the worst in the country. Im not saying hes this amazing defender necessarily but I expected him to be way behind the curve on that. Hes been better than expected there, I think anyone would agree with that. As far as ballhandling he doesnt make mistakes, which isnt necessary a good thing because he sure doesnt look like a good distributor either.

I think you missed my point, in simple terms he looks like a player whos strength isnt scoring or shooting

[Prison Bitch]

Originally Posted by BWillie

Frankamp is the inverse type of player I thought he would be. If I wouldn't know anything about his HS career I would assume hes an Aaron Craft type player. Shitty shooter, just scrappy on defense and limits mistakes

True. Even Selden has struggled a bit more than I expected. Just goes to illustrate how incredible Wiggins and Embiid have been this year.

[BWillie]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

Oh, that's right. You're the guy who thinks that effort doesn't make a difference in basketball.

I like how every NCAA loss you blame on the team not trying hard enough, its pretty funny. Effort matters, just not to the degree you, fans, and the media portray it to be. Almost every player at this level is playing with a high level of intensity. Just because they arent flopping around and animated like Marcus Smart doesnt mean they dont have the will to win

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by BWillie

Compared to Tharpe?? Hes way better. You must not watch many other teams play if you think his defense is the worst in the country.

Yes, even worse than Tharpe. Worse than a great many guards actually. It's the primary reason he hasn't been able to play much this season.

Im not saying hes this amazing defender necessarily but I expected him to be way behind the curve on that. Hes been better than expected there, I think anyone would agree with that. As far as ballhandling he doesnt make mistakes, which isnt necessary a good thing because he sure doesnt look like a good distributor either.

I think you missed my point, in simple terms he looks like a player whos strength isnt scoring or shooting

Well, right now he looks like a guy who doesn't have a strength. Looks like a common scrub out there. But that's no reason to write him off in the future or anything, he'll have all summer to improve.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by BWillie

I like how every NCAA loss you blame on the team not trying hard enough, its pretty funny. Effort matters, just not to the degree you, fans, and the media portray it to be.

It does, because it's not just about physicality.

Effort portrays more that that. Mental, physical, etc. KU doesn't mentally lock in on defense at times, lacking focus, which leads to shitty effort.

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by BWillie

I like how every NCAA loss you blame on the team not trying hard enough, its pretty funny.

Except that isn't close to true. There are plenty of games this team has lost where they've given a good effort. The KSU one in overtime for example or the San Diego game at home. They tried hard and just got beat in those games.

But there are also games like today where the team didn't try at all for 30 minutes defensively. They turned up the effort level in the last 10 primarily due to Wiggins, but it wasn't enough to overcome the early laziness.

Effort matters, just not to the degree you, fans, and the media portray it to be.

It matters a ton. WVU was focused and wanted this game in a way that KU just didn't. They showed it on the court. That ultimately proved to be the biggest difference today.

[BWillie]

I want to have kids just so I can tell them if they try really hard, theyll be an astronaut or POTUS, but if they dont, theyll lose to Northern Iowa or WVU

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by BWillie

I want to have kids just so I can tell them if they try really hard, theyll be an astronaut or POTUS, but if they dont, theyll lose to Northern Iowa or WVU

OK, but make sure to make miniature homemade Smart jerseys for them.

[sedated]

Originally Posted by BWillie

I want to have kids just so I can tell them if they try really hard, theyll be an astronaut or POTUS, but if they dont, theyll lose to Northern Iowa or WVU

Likely sarcasm, but thats somewhat accurate.

[KC_Connection]

Arizona going down at Oregon.