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Old 03-09-2014, 02:19 PM  
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Rumor: Albert to the Dolphins
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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...-the-dolphins/

So that great 08' draft class won 0 playoff games and 3 of the better players from that draft are no longer on the team. Thanks Pioli.
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Old 03-10-2014, 04:05 PM   #286
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Not looking good for my boys chances of keeping Veldheer...
Getting rid of him for saffold?
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Old 03-10-2014, 04:07 PM   #287
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Getting rid of him for saffold?
Hell he isn't even a lock... I don't know wtf they are doing... I bet they could have kept Veldheer for 7-8 mil a year if they had talked earlier
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Old 03-10-2014, 04:07 PM   #288
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That's exactly why it's a bad bet...
That's not true. Results don't define the quality of a bet. If I bet on the seahawks to beat the jaguars last year, and the Jags somehow pull it out, I didn't place a bad bet. I just didn't place a winning bet, but I'd argue those are different things.
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Old 03-10-2014, 04:07 PM   #289
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I'm not defending Fisher at all. He played like absolute dogshit for most of the season. But you have to separate the pick from the player.
This. All day long.

He'll probably never live up to the pick. I'm not a fan of taking OL at 1.1 either. But he was the pick. The idea that it should matter if he's great in year 2 or 3 but sucked in year 1 is silly, no matter where he was picked. The idea that he was terrible all season long is false -- he played "fair" toward the end of the season. The idea that he didn't have several things that may have potentially held him back continually gets ignored.

I don't care where he was picked. He's a Chief now. The pick is irrelevant. There's lots of reasons to believe he'll improve a lot, and it's way too soon to say if he is/isn't good right now. At least give him until game 1 to show what he's got.
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Old 03-10-2014, 04:13 PM   #291
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That's not true. Results don't define the quality of a bet.
They do to me and everyone else.

And I don't expect them to bet - I expect them to evaluate talent and personality.

When your biggest contribution by a rookie was one you signed as a free agent after another team cut him you didn't do a great job.

I don't expect every player to come in day 1 ready to play. I do think you should be able to find at least one...
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Old 03-10-2014, 05:13 PM   #292
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Yeah. All I've been saying is that I understand why Dorsey made the pick that he made with our roster the way that it was set up prior to the draft.

He's a guy that doesn't just draft BPA, he drafts BPA at a position of need.

At the time, after having released Winston and having an unknown in Stephenson with a franchised LT in Albert, OT was easily our biggest need.

Not OLB where we had Hali and Houston.

Not 5-tech where they just signed Devito and still had Jackson.

Not NT where Poe was the incumbent starter and former 1st round pick the year before.

Not CB where we had the high paid Flowers and just signed Sean Smith and Dunta Robinson to multi-year deals.

Not S where they thought they still had something in Lewis, had signed Demps, and had Eric Berry.

Not WR where they just gave Bowe a massive extension.

Not QB where they just traded for Alex Smith to be their current and future starter and no QB worth it in the draft anyways.

Not OG where we had 2 returning starters in Allen and Asamoah.

Not RB where we had Charles.

OT was pretty much the only direction to go with that pick with the way that our roster had been formed and also with the way that the talent was shaping up in the draft. I think that's why Dorsey signed the guys he did in FA also, the draft was weak at top with the OT position being the strongest.
So he painted himself into a corner. Pure genius...
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Old 03-10-2014, 05:14 PM   #293
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Commings should be better than Lewis, at least it's hard to be any worse. Bailey, Howard, and Catapano can easily take up the slack from Jackson; it's not like he was a dominant player or anything.


Donald Stephenson has shown more than ALL of those guys.

COMBINED.
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Old 03-10-2014, 05:17 PM   #294
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I'm not defending Fisher at all. He played like absolute dogshit for most of the season. But you have to separate the pick from the player.
Yep. I already said that. The player and the pick are 2 different things.

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He was a solid pick, even though he wasn't at all what I wanted. I hated the pick, because I fundamentally disagreed with not swinging for the fences. That doesn't mean that it was a bad pick. It was just different than what I would have done. Drafting a potential franchise left tackle at first overall is a solid pick, no matter what.
Wrong, wrong, wrong. It was a TERRIBLE pick. Low risk, low reward. If the guy doesn't get any better, it might be the worst pick in franchise history. Even if he turns into one of the best right tackles in the game, he will NEVER be worth the 1st overall pick. Never.
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Donald Stephenson has shown more than ALL of those guys.

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Enough to show that he isn't even a top 60 OT according to PFF. Yeah . . .
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This. All day long.

He'll probably never live up to the pick. I'm not a fan of taking OL at 1.1 either. But he was the pick. The idea that it should matter if he's great in year 2 or 3 but sucked in year 1 is silly, no matter where he was picked. The idea that he was terrible all season long is false -- he played "fair" toward the end of the season. The idea that he didn't have several things that may have potentially held him back continually gets ignored.

I don't care where he was picked. He's a Chief now. The pick is irrelevant. There's lots of reasons to believe he'll improve a lot, and it's way too soon to say if he is/isn't good right now. At least give him until game 1 to show what he's got.
I agree with almost all of your post.

However, it does matter where he was picked. The team is never going to get over the hump if they don't maximize their value in the draft.
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Enough to show that he isn't even a top 60 OT according to PFF. Yeah . . .
PFF isn't the ****ing Bible.
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PFF isn't the ****ing Bible.
But it's certainly a better judge of talent than you. Geno Smith everyone!
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