Rumor: Albert to the Dolphins

[Titty Meat]

*Albert

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...-the-dolphins/

So that great 08' draft class won 0 playoff games and 3 of the better players from that draft are no longer on the team. Thanks Pioli.

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by OldSchool

But it's certainly a better judge of talent than you. Geno Smith everyone!

Eric Fisher everyone!

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by OldSchool

But it's certainly a better judge of talent than you. Geno Smith everyone!

In other words, you got nothing so you have to go back to LAST YEAR'S straw man.

[The Franchise]

Oh my God....people actually had an opinion and wanted the Chiefs to draft a player.....AND THEN HE DIDN'T DO WELL HIS ROOKIE YEAR!! That means that they're worthless at evaluating players.

****ing moron. I'm sure every player that you've ever followed has gone on to greatness. Oh wait....Eric Fisher sucked last year.

[OldSchool]

Originally Posted by Pestilence

Eric Fisher everyone!

Hey, he's who we got.

You were a Geno fan too eh? Bravo, bravo.

Actually, maybe he would have been a better pick. I mean, instead of picking at 23 this year, we'd be #1 overall again and have a shot at the "great" Johnny Football!

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by OldSchool

Hey, he's who we got.

You were a Geno fan too eh? Bravo, bravo.

Actually, maybe he would have been a better pick. I mean, instead of picking at 23 this year, we'd be #1 overall again and have a shot at the "great" Johnny Football!

Way to go full reerun Bob.

You were doing so well too. Now everybody knows you're a complete ****ing moron.

[OldSchool]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

In other words, you got nothing so you have to go back to LAST YEAR'S straw man.

Nah. I actually think Stephenson is alright and he improved a lot from his rookie year so his arrow is pointing up; I just don't think he's quite as good as many of you seem to think. You could expect to see at least the same amount of improvement from Fisher next season. If we don't then I'll start to write him off. We're also screwed if either guy gets injured.

[BigMeatballDave]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

PFF isn't the ****ing Bible.

According to Clay it is.

[OldSchool]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Way to go full reerun Bob.

You were doing so well too. Now everybody knows you're a complete ****ing moron.

You don't get sarcasm do you?

[OldSchool]

Originally Posted by BCD

According to Clay it is.

PFF is just another evaluation tool. I don't agree with everything they say, sometimes their rankings make 0 sense. Vontae Davis was a top 5 corner last year? Seriously?

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

I agree with almost all of your post.

However, it does matter where he was picked. The team is never going to get over the hump if they don't maximize their value in the draft.

Please keep railing against the pick. Fight the good fight. It was a terrible pick because tackles these days have very low positional value.

As long as we try to make Fisher justify a pick he should have never been slotted in, we'll always root for him to fail. I think there are plenty of reasons to believe he'll still end up being a solid tackle for the Chiefs. Worth the pick? Never. But at least a solid contributor.

[saphojunkie]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

I agree with almost all of your post.

However, it does matter where he was picked. The team is never going to get over the hump if they don't maximize their value in the draft.

But you're still making that argument in a vacuum. OT was absolutely as legitimate of a pick as any other position last year.

We all freaked the **** out (rightfully so) when Tyson Jackson was taken at 3rd overall. So... a 3-4 DE is a reach at third overall (Jackson) but is the smart move at first overall (Richardson)? Backup pass rusher is better at first overall? Because we have Hali insurance "down the road?" I thought the whole argument was that he had to contribute in his rookie year?

I'm just baffled. Half of you are pretending like OT isn't a top five pick every ****ing season. There's a reason why that is.

You want to say that we should have gone elsewhere, but so far everything you people have suggested (3-4 DE, bust of a QB, bust of a CB, bust of a back-up pass rusher) is just as ****ing reeruned as a potential left tackle who stays on the right side. I don't mind being pissed about drafting offensive linemen, but keep it realistic.

The fact is, we got the top pick in a shitty ****ing draft. We wanted the Chiefs to take a high-risk, high-reward gamble with the first overall pick. But they already did that by trading for Alex Smith. And frankly, that trade paid way the **** off. If we had gambled with first overall (Geno?) and then took the "safe" pick in the second round, and BOTH busted, you guys wouldn't have an argument.

But because they gambled two seconds on being able to make Alex Smith a franchise QB and then took the "safe" route at first overall, it's a ****ing travesty.

Nevermind that this team, had we been in charge (myself included - I was a Genobater), would have probably had five wins last year at best.

[OldSchool]

Originally Posted by saphojunkie

But you're still making that argument in a vacuum. OT was absolutely as legitimate of a pick as any other position last year.

We all freaked the **** out (rightfully so) when Tyson Jackson was taken at 3rd overall. So... a 3-4 DE is a reach at third overall (Jackson) but is the smart move at first overall (Richardson)? Backup pass rusher is better at first overall? Because we have Hali insurance "down the road?" I thought the whole argument was that he had to contribute in his rookie year?

I'm just baffled. Half of you are pretending like OT isn't a top five pick every ****ing season. There's a reason why that is.

You want to say that we should have gone elsewhere, but so far everything you people have suggested (3-4 DE, bust of a QB, bust of a CB, bust of a back-up pass rusher) is just as ****ing reeruned as a potential left tackle who stays on the right side. I don't mind being pissed about drafting offensive linemen, but keep it realistic.

The fact is, we got the top pick in a shitty ****ing draft. We wanted the Chiefs to take a high-risk, high-reward gamble with the first overall pick. But they already did that by trading for Alex Smith. And frankly, that trade paid way the **** off. If we had gambled with first overall (Geno?) and then took the "safe" pick in the second round, and BOTH busted, you guys wouldn't have an argument.

But because they gambled two seconds on being able to make Alex Smith a franchise QB and then took the "safe" route at first overall, it's a ****ing travesty.

Nevermind that this team, had we been in charge (myself included - I was a Genobater), would have probably had five wins last year at best.

This.

Again, it was a shitty draft to have the #1 overall pick in. Anyone pretending otherwise and acting like they would have done better with the pick is fooling themselves.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by OldSchool

This.

Again, it was a shitty draft to have the #1 overall pick in. Anyone pretending otherwise and acting like they would have done better with the pick is fooling themselves.

Seeing how I wanted Sheldon Richardson, I could make that argument yes.

[saphojunkie]

Originally Posted by Pestilence

Oh my God....people actually had an opinion and wanted the Chiefs to draft a player.....AND THEN HE DIDN'T DO WELL HIS ROOKIE YEAR!! That means that they're worthless at evaluating players.

****ing moron. I'm sure every player that you've ever followed has gone on to greatness. Oh wait....Eric Fisher sucked last year.

Isn't that the whole argument against Dorsey?

[saphojunkie]

Originally Posted by O.city

Seeing how I wanted Sheldon Richardson, I could make that argument yes.

And then people would be screaming about how we spend all our ****ing top picks on 3-4 defensive ends.