Dee Ford

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by milkman

You can argue startegy all you want, Rufus, but there's no way in hell a project player is the best player available.

And make no mistake about it, Dee Ford, with nothing more than a quick first step in his arsenal, is a project.

And that is also exactly what Fisher was.

So what you're saying is that if we have to choose between a high risk / high reward player vs. a low ceiling but more NFL ready right away, we should go with the latter?

I hated taking a LT last year. But no doubt you go with Fisher over Joeckl, even if Joeckl is more NFL ready. This is the same shit that would have had us passing on Dontari Poe and Branden Albert. And we bagged on this guys when they first started out first.

CP gets pissy that our front office doesn't take chances then when we take chances, we want more NFL ready. It's ****ing stupid.

And no, I'm not crazy about the Ford pick. I'm pissy about how many people on here think it's a bad idea to take a 3-4 OLB even if it takes a year for that guy to develop. Assuming he has true first round talent which I'm not convinced Ford does.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

So what you're saying is that if we have to choose between a high risk / high reward player vs. a low ceiling but more NFL ready right away, we should go with the latter?

I hated taking a LT last year. But no doubt you go with Fisher over Joeckl, even if Joeckl is more NFL ready. This is the same shit that would have had us passing on Dontari Poe and Branden Albert. And we bagged on this guys when they first started out first.

CP gets pissy that our front office doesn't take chances then when we take chances, we want more NFL ready. It's ****ing stupid.

And no, I'm not crazy about the Ford pick. I'm pissy about how many people on here think it's a bad idea to take a 3-4 OLB even if it takes a year for that guy to develop. Assuming he has true first round talent which I'm not convinced Ford does.

It was not Fisher v, Joekel for me.

It was Fisher/Joekel v. Sheldon Richardson.

I didn't want either of those LTs.

As for Albert, he was a project LT, but an almost certain top LG if that failed.

You don't have that guarantee with Fisher.

He was a project no matter what.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by milkman

It was not Fisher v, Joekel for me.

It was Fisher/Joekel v. Sheldon Richardson.

I didn't want either of those LTs.

As for Albert, he was a project LT, but an almost certain top LG if that failed.

You don't have that guarantee with Fisher.

He was a project no matter what.

I wanted Richardson too. I have bagged on the pick.

But it was a consensus on CP that if we were choosing between two left tackles, it was Fisher.

That is until a year later when CP moved the uprights and said they were stupid to pick the high ceiling guy over the guy who was NFL ready right away.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I wanted Richardson too. I have bagged on the pick.

But it was a consensus on CP that if we were choosing between two left tackles, it was Fisher.

That is until a year later when CP moved the uprights and said they were stupid to pick the high ceiling guy over the guy who was NFL ready right away.

I gave Dorsey credit for not taking Joekel.

I said Fisher was the better pick of those 2 then, and I'm not backing away from that.

But that doesn't diminish the fact that I hated the pick.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by milkman

I gave Dorsey credit for not taking Joekel.

I said Fisher was the better pick of those 2 then, and I'm not backing away from that.

But that doesn't diminish the fact that I hated the pick.

I hated the pick too. Always will.

But that's not what we are arguing. It's arguing whether if you are comparing two players at one position, one with a high ceiling and one with average ceiling but more NFL ready, who would you take? CP was shouting about not taking Terence Cody and then ripping on the Dontari Poe pick. Especially when you get out of the top 10, you often have to decide between low upside / safe picks vs. risky / high upside picks.

More importantly, it's a dialogue about how ridiculously over reactionary people were to Fisher's play. As if he would never improve. That's where I get feisty. I never even called him a good player. I have said many times I think he could play like a top 20 pick.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I hated the pick too. Always will.

But that's not what we are arguing. It's arguing whether if you are comparing two players at one position, one with a high ceiling and one with average ceiling but more NFL ready, who would you take? CP was shouting about not taking Terence Cody and then ripping on the Dontari Poe pick. Especially when you get out of the top 10, you often have to decide between low upside / safe picks vs. risky / high upside picks.

More importantly, it's a dialogue about how ridiculously over reactionary people were to Fisher's play. As if he would never improve. That's where I get feisty. I never even called him a good player. I have said many times I think he could play like a top 20 pick.

It has to depend on much you have to work with when making that decision.

Dee Ford is a huge project, with very limited actual productivity.

He is simply not the best player that was available at that pick.