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Old 09-25-2014, 11:30 AM   #1
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I'm not justifying the officer's actions because it sure looks like they shot first and asked questions later, but here is a picture of a BB gun sold by Wal-Mart. Could you identify that as a BB gun from 15-20 feet away?

Well, here's the thing: how many stories have you heard about cops shooting people, usually a kid, who has a toy gun? In a situation like this, guy in a Walmart has a gun, not shooting anyone, not threatening anyone, just walking around looking at shit on the shelves, a reasonable person would have to consider that it may very well be a toy, especially considering that they sell toy guns / bb guns in Walmart, and curb his enthusiasm accordingly. These cops were ****ing morons.
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Old 09-25-2014, 11:32 AM   #2
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Well, here's the thing: how many stories have you heard about cops shooting people, usually a kid, who has a toy gun?
Can't remember a single one. Certainly this is not a regular occurrence.
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Old 09-25-2014, 11:36 AM   #3
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Can't remember a single one. Certainly this is not a regular occurrence.
There were several instances of this happening when I was growing up. I think it's one of the reasons why they are required to have orange tips now. i may be wrong about that.

I do remember an incident a few years ago where a cop shot an actor at a costume party who had a rubber gun.

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Old 09-25-2014, 11:43 AM   #4
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Can't remember a single one. Certainly this is not a regular occurrence.
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There were several instances of this happening when I was growing up. I think it's one of the reasons why they are required to have orange tips now. i may be wrong about that.

I do remember an incident a few years ago where a cop shot an actor at a costume party who had a rubber gun.
http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/tg-icep.pdf

This report is from 1990. (Pages 30 and 31) They looked at a 5 year period and found about 5 incidents per month where police used force as a result of mistaking a toy gun for a real gun.
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Old 09-25-2014, 11:55 AM   #5
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http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/tg-icep.pdf

This report is from 1990. (Pages 30 and 31) They looked at a 5 year period and found about 5 incidents per month where police used force as a result of mistaking a toy gun for a real gun.
You said "cops shooting people" for holding toy guns, not "using force" or shooting and missing or anything like that. So do we have anything that isn't 20 years old...?
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Old 09-25-2014, 12:01 PM   #6
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You said "cops shooting people" for holding toy guns, not "using force" or shooting and missing or anything like that. So do we have anything that isn't 20 years old...?
Well, I just googled it, and that came up. But like I said, it just happened recently in California, and I had heard stories about it growing up. Certainly cops know about the existence of toy guns / BB guns, and they ought to realize that there is a significant chance that a guy just standing there holding a "gun" in Walmart, looking at stuff on the selves, as he was doing when they shot him, is in fact holding a toy or BB gun.
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Old 09-25-2014, 11:47 AM   #7
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There were several instances of this happening when I was growing up. I think it's one of the reasons why they are required to have orange tips now. i may be wrong about that.
That's.exactly why.
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Old 09-25-2014, 11:36 AM   #8
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Can't remember a single one. Certainly this is not a regular occurrence.
Just happened in Redwood City (CA) about six months or so ago. Two cops shot and killed a 13 year old kid who was walking to his friend's house carrying his BB gun.
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Old 09-25-2014, 11:49 AM   #9
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Can't remember a single one. Certainly this is not a regular occurrence.
In addition the guy calling in telling the cops he has a rifle waving it at people puts them on high alert. I still think that guy should be charged with something, and not a light something. He deserves jail time.
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Old 09-25-2014, 01:13 PM   #10
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In addition the guy calling in telling the cops he has a rifle waving it at people puts them on high alert. I still think that guy should be charged with something, and not a light something. He deserves jail time.
**** yes he does. He should do hard ****ing time, and lose his every possession to the family of the man he had murdered.
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Old 09-25-2014, 01:57 PM   #11
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**** yes he does. He should do hard ****ing time, and lose his every possession to the family of the man he had murdered.
So a man calling in a report of concern to him should be locked away and neutered?

I'm going to go with a huh? here.
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Old 09-25-2014, 02:00 PM   #12
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So a man calling in a report of concern to him should be locked away and neutered?

I'm going to go with a huh? here.
He should be arrested for lying to the dispatcher. His statements about the guy loading the rifle and pointing it at kids did nothing but raise the officer's anxiety.
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Old 09-25-2014, 02:03 PM   #13
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He should be arrested for lying to the dispatcher. His statements about the guy loading the rifle and pointing it at kids did nothing but raise the officer's anxiety.
I'm sure the fact that the guy had something resembling an assault rifle did quite a wonder on the officers anxiety.
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