It's been a long time coming. Adiós.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

It's not just winning one playoff game - but building a team the way the Royals have done. I feel like we were on the right path, but pissed away a few good players and then stopped drafting well. A team of also-rans that goes 10-6 and wins one playoff game isn't going to do a lot to shake me out of my Chiefs torpor I feel.

Yet how many people wanted Dayton and Ned fired midseason last year?

[Eleazar]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Yet how many people wanted Dayton and Ned fired midseason last year?

At most any point in the site's history, CP would have fired the Chiefs' head coach, chief's GM, flushed the whole staff, fired the Royals manager and GM, executed the owner, bencheded the Chiefs' starting QB, flushed most of the roster, and fired both Missouri and Kansas' football coaches. It's not affected by where a team is at the moment. There are few exceptions, like the Royals, but this place is massively, systemically pessimistic for some reason beyond what a middling team would expect. The Browns fans are probably more optimistic than CP is.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by Cochise

At most any point in the site's history, CP would have fired the Chiefs' head coach, chief's GM, flushed the whole staff, fired the Royals manager and GM, executed the owner, bencheded the Chiefs' starting QB, flushed most of the roster, and fired both Missouri and Kansas' football coaches. It's not affected by where a team is at the moment. There are few exceptions, like the Royals, but this place is massively, systemically pessimistic for some reason beyond what a middling team would expect. The Browns fans are probably more optimistic than CP is.

Because alot of us are tired of being a middling team. We have seen to many teams go from shit to being in the SB in a matter of 2-3 years yet this team hasn't won a playoff since 1993. It is embarrassing.

[Eleazar]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

Because alot of us are tired of being a middling team. We have seen to many teams go from shit to being in the SB in a matter of 2-3 years yet this team hasn't won a playoff since 1993. It is embarrassing.

Yeah, but that's not how it goes. Any optimism is characterized as stupid, even cautious optimism when it's warranted.

This isn't a team that goes 4-12 every year, it often has winning records and sometimes makes playoff appearances. Sure, everyone wants more, but people acting like the team makes 0% of their decisions correctly is dumb.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by Cochise

Yeah, but that's not how it goes. Any optimism is characterized as stupid, even cautious optimism when it's warranted.

This isn't a team that goes 4-12 every year, it often has winning records and sometimes makes playoff appearances. Sure, everyone wants more, but people acting like the team makes 0% of their decisions correctly is dumb.

Fair enough but I am one that doesn't do that.

If you look at the last 10 years this team is 75-101. They are more likely to go 4-12 than 10-6.

[Eleazar]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

Fair enough but I am one that doesn't do that.

If you look at the last 10 years this team is 75-101. They are more likely to go 4-12 than 10-6.

Carl and Herm are long gone. Pioli and Haley and Romeo are long gone. That history is completely unrelated to the decision makers with the team today.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by Cochise

Carl and Herm are long gone. Pioli and Haley and Romeo are long gone. That history is completely unrelated to the decision makers with the team today.

Clark Hunt is not the decision maker? He is the one that hired and fired all those guys. He doesn't have a very good track record almost 10 years into his ownership. Been pretty much a disaster.

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by Cochise

Carl and Herm are long gone. Pioli and Haley and Romeo are long gone. That history is completely unrelated to the decision makers with the team today.

I don't think you can really say anything about Dorsey because he has no prior history with regards to his current position, but I'm not sure there's a lot of reason to be particularly confident in or hopeful about Andy Reid. In his last ten seasons as head coach, he has two 11-win seasons, two 10-win seasons, two 9-win seasons, two .500 seasons and two seasons below .500. So while I wouldn't tie myself to the "4-12 is more likely than 10-6" comment I do consider 10 wins to be the lowest bar to set (meaning you should expect at least 10 wins/season from a successful franchise), and Reid just hasn't reached that level of success over the last decade. He certainly hasn't been anywhere close to what what he was with Philly from '99 to '04.

Maybe that'll change. Maybe it won't. I don't think the Chiefs are a bad team right now, but at the same time I also don't see a reason (yet) to believe they're even positioned to become the top team in the AFC West, much less one of the top teams in the AFC, poised to break the playoff drought.

But that's just one opinion, and it might change during camp.

(As far as OTW leaving, I almost never comment on that kind of stuff and won't now)

[HemiEd]

Originally Posted by Cochise

Carl and Herm are long gone. Pioli and Haley and Romeo are long gone. That history is completely unrelated to the decision makers with the team today.

Is Clark gone as well? The history is consistent for longer than most on this board have been alive.
Did you see the movie "Draft Day?" I laughed when the Chiefs were the ones that called up wanting to trade for the Browns reject QB.
Even the movie industry recognizes a pattern set in stone.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

Because alot of us are tired of being a middling team. We have seen to many teams go from shit to being in the SB in a matter of 2-3 years yet this team hasn't won a playoff since 1993. It is embarrassing.

So, your realistic expectation was to go from 2-14 to a Super Bowl in 2 years?

This team is gonna win a playoff game this year.

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by BossChief

This team is gonna win a playoff game this year.

You can't be surprised when people around here can't see it.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I absolutely agree but I don't think that truly happened until 2011.

I railed against the hiring of Pioli and Haley and absolutely hated their first draft, and people were like "WTF? Give it time. He's not the Executive of the Year for nothing, Bro!".

The real pessimism started in 2011, with the loss of Berry and Charles, the firing of Haley (the firing was justified and the right decision, IMO, although many against it) and the quick hiring of Crennel. And of course, we're all familiar with Eric's efforts, which grew into Save Our Chiefs, which ultimately led to the firing of Pioli's regime and the hiring of Dorsey and Reid.

Now, there's far too much impatience, especially for a team with two consecutive winning seasons, and a young roster, in which we've seen growth over the past two seasons, due to coaching. This franchise is finally headed in the right direction for the first time since 1989 but it seems that too many people "hate" them so much for the subpar seasons of yesteryear that they'll stop at nothing to remind everyone, ad nauseam, how bad they were in the past, as if that has any relevance to the present.

Exactly.

A huge portion of CP thinks this is just "another time going to the same movie expecting it to end differently" and IMO nothing could be further from the truth.

Originally Posted by Pestilence

You can't be surprised when people around here can't see it.

I'm just working on my next "I told you so" stuff.

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by BossChief

So, your realistic expectation was to go from 2-14 to a Super Bowl in 2 years?

This team is gonna win a playoff game this year.

This logic pisses me off and it's not just because you're the one espousing it; it's a common as dirt narrative.. and I already know how you're going to counter this so go ahead and flame a-****ing-way:

Your realistic expectation was to go from 10-6 to a Super Bowl in four years?

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by BossChief

So, your realistic expectation was to go from 2-14 to a Super Bowl in 2 years?

This team is gonna win a playoff game this year.

My realistic expectation is to win playoff games and compete for a SB.

I hope so but I am not counting on it.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Cochise

At most any point in the site's history, CP would have fired the Chiefs' head coach, chief's GM, flushed the whole staff, fired the Royals manager and GM, executed the owner, bencheded the Chiefs' starting QB, flushed most of the roster, and fired both Missouri and Kansas' football coaches. It's not affected by where a team is at the moment. There are few exceptions, like the Royals, but this place is massively, systemically pessimistic for some reason beyond what a middling team would expect. The Browns fans are probably more optimistic than CP is.

I absolutely agree but I don't think that truly happened until 2011.

I railed against the hiring of Pioli and Haley and absolutely hated their first draft, and people were like "WTF? Give it time. He's not the Executive of the Year for nothing, Bro!".

The real pessimism started in 2011, with the loss of Berry and Charles, the firing of Haley (the firing was justified and the right decision, IMO, although many against it) and the quick hiring of Crennel. And of course, we're all familiar with Eric's efforts, which grew into Save Our Chiefs, which ultimately led to the firing of Pioli's regime and the hiring of Dorsey and Reid.

Now, there's far too much impatience, especially for a team with two consecutive winning seasons, and a young roster, in which we've seen growth over the past two seasons, due to coaching. This franchise is finally headed in the right direction for the first time since 1989 but it seems that too many people "hate" them so much for the subpar seasons of yesteryear that they'll stop at nothing to remind everyone, ad nauseam, how bad they were in the past, as if that has any relevance to the present.