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Old 09-27-2015, 07:56 AM   #1
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I have him at #3 as worst #1 draft pick evar. You find some one else to slide in there? Is that why youre high on him?

Mandarich? Courtney Brown, Jamarcus Russell, Tim Couch? Which of those were better than Fisher? I'd have him right after those.
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Old 09-27-2015, 07:58 AM   #2
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Mandarich? Courtney Brown, Jamarcus Russell, Tim Couch? Which of those were better than Fisher? I'd have him right after those.
I don't think Mandarich was a #1 overall pick.
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I don't think Mandarich was a #1 overall pick.

I couldn't remember off the top of my head. Thanks. He went two?
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Mandarich? Courtney Brown, Jamarcus Russell, Tim Couch? Which of those were better than Fisher? I'd have him right after those.
Ki-Jana Carter, Dan Wilkenson, and David Carr would be high on my list.
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Old 09-27-2015, 08:03 AM   #5
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Ki-Jana Carter, Dan Wilkenson, and David Carr would be high on my list.

Those are good. Although I tend to go easy on Carr for the same reason I went easy on Alex and Tim couch. The talent around them and dysfunction of the franchises hurt them.

And this only applies to Carr and Couch. It's hard to know if they were that bad because of it.
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Those are good. Although I tend to go easy on Carr for the same reason I went easy on Alex and Tim couch. The talent around them and dysfunction of the franchises hurt them.

And this only applies to Carr and Couch. It's hard to know if they were that bad because of it.
ChiefsPlanet loves to speak in exaggeration.

Jamarcus, Courtney Brown, Carter. Fisher is easily not bottom 3. If Fisher ends up being even a quality backup, he'll beat out Couch, Carr, and Emtman. Would even throw in Jeff George.

We're also comparing Fisher to a bunch of hyped consensus #1 picks. You can't compare him to Peyton Manning or Andrew Luck because there was no consensus #1 in the class. It was the best of the worst. So we can't compare Fisher to other #1's. We have to compare him to the top 10 of his class. And if he is even just an average starter at RT, he'll already be better than most of the top 10 in that class.

I still hate the Fisher pick. But JFC, can we please cut it out with the exaggeration?
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Old 09-28-2015, 12:18 AM   #7
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ChiefsPlanet loves to speak in exaggeration.

Jamarcus, Courtney Brown, Carter. Fisher is easily not bottom 3. If Fisher ends up being even a quality backup, he'll beat out Couch, Carr, and Emtman. Would even throw in Jeff George.

We're also comparing Fisher to a bunch of hyped consensus #1 picks. You can't compare him to Peyton Manning or Andrew Luck because there was no consensus #1 in the class. It was the best of the worst. So we can't compare Fisher to other #1's. We have to compare him to the top 10 of his class. And if he is even just an average starter at RT, he'll already be better than most of the top 10 in that class.

I still hate the Fisher pick. But JFC, can we please cut it out with the exaggeration?
Peyton Manning wasn't the consensus #1 since there was a debate about whether Manning or Ryan Leaf should go first. A lot of people thought Leaf should go at #1. Of course we know now that they were wrong, but at the time there were plenty that thought Leaf should go first.
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Those are good. Although I tend to go easy on Carr for the same reason I went easy on Alex and Tim couch. The talent around them and dysfunction of the franchises hurt them.

And this only applies to Carr and Couch. It's hard to know if they were that bad because of it.
I didn't watch Couch much, but David Carr was terrible, and he made his O-Lines look far worse than they were.

The season that the Texans signed Shaub, the same O-Line, with one "upgrade", Jordan Black, commonly referred to a "I-70" in Kansas City, gave up half as many sacks as they did the previous season with Carr at QB.

Alex Smith is slow on his progressions, but I am not sure that Carr even ever heard of the concept.

That guy was the William Bartee of QBs.
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