***Official 2015 STL Cardinals Thread III.***

[BigRedChief]

2011 World Series Championship
2012 NLCS. One win from another WS appearance.
2013 World Series. Two wins from another World Series Championship
2014 NLCS. Three wins from another WS appearance
2015 Central Division title. Won 100 games. Lost in the NLDS.

• Made the postseason 11 times in the last 15 seasons.
• Only 1 losing season since 2000.
• Reached the World Series 4 times since 2004 and won as many championships (two) the past eight seasons as it did from 1965 to 2005.
• Made the NLCS 9 times including the last 4 years 2011-2014
• Three million attendance? Take it to the bank.
• 65 post season wins since 2004. 22+ wins more than any other team.

[BigRedChief]

Goold's Mo interview up on STL Today.

Sounds like Mo is still counting on FA's taking less money just for the privlidge of playing in STL?

The game is changing and are we going to change with it? Thats a question you have to ponder? Really?? Mo, either you change to the new baseball reality or be left behind.

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A team that says it rarely wins a bidding war, might have to.


“Historically, we haven’t,” Mozeliak said. “That’s something that we may have to recalibrate ourselves and rethink it. We’ve had a very disciplined process to date and it has worked. I think we all recognize that sometimes you have to change. Sometimes you have to do things that get you out of the comfort zone. I’m not suggesting that that’s exactly what we’ll do. But my point is think back over the last few years and the model was definitely working. But the game is changing a bit. Are we going to change with it? It’s certainly something that we understand that we have to be cognizant of — and willing to accept.”

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Originally Posted by O.city

I think with heyward, there's still the hope that he can figure out himself at the plate.

With upton, he ain't figuring out how to be a defender like heyward

There is no figuring it out with him. Face it, he isn't a talented hitter at all.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Amsinger-"I see the Giants as the favorites for Heyward. I see the Cardinals as a distant 4th, behind the Giants, Angels and Cubs."

— The Fast Lane (@101ESPNFastLane) December 9, 2015

**** yeah!!!!!

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball

There is no figuring it out with him. Face it, he isn't a talented hitter at all.

What is your solution?

[O.city]

Giants are apparently out on heyward, down to cubs and cards

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Originally Posted by O.city

Giants are apparently out on heyward, down to cubs and cards

****. Cmon cubbies. Piss away that coin.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

What is your solution?

Not piss away 200 xmillion on a .270 hitter, with absolutely no power that can't drive in runs. It takes a special kind of sad for a guy to hit middle order all year and drive in 60. WAR means Jack and shit if that clown is ranked so high.

[raybec 4]

Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball

Not piss away 200 million on a .270 hitter, with absolutely no power that can't drive in runs.

You hate Heyward worse than I hated JD Drew

[O.city]

RBI and pitcher wins.

I'm guessing pgm is a big fan of both

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Originally Posted by raybec 4

You hate Heyward worse than I hated JD Drew

He's the black JD!!

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Originally Posted by O.city

RBI and pitcher wins.

I'm guessing pgm is a big fan of both

It's not pathetic for a mid order guy to only drive in 60? But hey he was a BEAST with nobody on and two out!!!

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

What is your solution?

Wei Yin Chen and Justin Upton.

I'm done letting a #2 hitter and corner OFer hold the organization hostage.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball

Not piss away 200 xmillion on a .270 hitter, with absolutely no power that can't drive in runs. It takes a special kind of sad for a guy to hit middle order all year and drive in 60. WAR means Jack and shit if that clown is ranked so high.

There it is.

[ChiefsCountry]

I can think of one game where Heyward's glove won the game for you guys. I was there in person to see that one.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by O.city

RBI and pitcher wins.

I'm guessing pgm is a big fan of both

RBI isn't a great stat, but it's a stat at least worth looking at.

This isn't a case where Heyward drove in 80, which is disappointing but could be chalked up to bad luck. The guy managed 600+ plate appearances and got 60 RBI. And while RBI is team dependent, performance with RISP isn't. Heyward managed a whopping .708 OPS and .264 BA to go with an ISO of .085. That's not a typo - the guy managed all of 7 XBH with runners in scoring position last season. He simply doesn't drive the ball at all when he has an opportunity to knock runners in. He doubles down on that awful 'contact' stroke of his and mostly just turns himself into a groundball machine.

PGM is wrong in that Heyward most definitely is a talented hitter, but that talent's gonna do nothing but get someone fired because he's not a productive hitter.

Heyward's a great overall player. He's not a star and he's not going to be. If the Cubs are going to bid him up to the stratosphere, I guess they can have him.

Then they'll probably trade Soler and Schwarber to the Marlins for Fernandez and we'll proceed to get our asses kicked, but such is the way of it. The Cubs have simply done a better job of building their team over the last 5 years than the Cardinals have and to be honest, it's not particularly close.