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[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

NY Giants SB teams, you can't have enough passrushers to stifle the most important position on the offense.

That remains a red herring.

Strahan was an aging shell of himself so the Giants grabbed Justin Tuck in the 3rd. They didn't go using 1st round picks on replacements for Strahan, nor did they plan on Tuck being a stud; sometimes it just works out that way.

Then folks want to cite JPP as some strategic masterstroke - the Giants were at a complete impasse with Umenyiora and knew they couldn't keep him so they grabbed JPP. In so doing, they pretty much ended Tuck's time as an effective player.

Let's not act like the Giants snagged JPP and suddenly Umenyiora, Tuck and JPP all set about wrecking stuff - that didn't happen. JPP's ascension came at the expense of Justin Tuck. And Umenyiora walked shortly thereafter.

Let's discuss how those 3 players would actually get on the field at the same time and be effective contributors. You gonna try to turn Houston into an interior pass-rusher? Of the 3, he's the only one that can do it.

It's easy to just say "Giants!" every time as many are prone to doing, but you have have an actual plan here as to how to make all 3 players immediate contributors if you intend to use a first rounder to block a first rounder and/or slide a franchise player into a different role.

I just don't see a way it works.

[Tribal Warfare]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

That remains a red herring.

Strahan was an aging shell of himself so the Giants grabbed Justin Tuck in the 3rd. They didn't go using 1st round picks on replacements for Strahan, nor did they plan on Tuck being a stud; sometimes it just works out that way.

Then folks want to cite JPP as some strategic masterstroke - the Giants were at a complete impasse with Umenyiora and knew they couldn't keep him so they grabbed JPP. In so doing, they pretty much ended Tuck's time as an effective player.

Let's not act like the Giants snagged JPP and suddenly Umenyiora, Tuck and JPP all set about wrecking stuff - that didn't happen. JPP's ascension came at the expense of Justin Tuck. And Umenyiora walked shortly thereafter.

Let's discuss how those 3 players would actually get on the field at the same time and be effective contributors. You gonna try to turn Houston into an interior pass-rusher? Of the 3, he's the only one that can do it.

It's easy to just say "Giants!" every time as many are prone to doing, but you have have an actual plan here as to how to make all 3 players immediate contributors if you intend to use a first rounder to block a first rounder and/or slide a franchise player into a different role.

I just don't see a way it works.

Red herring, no NYG took down Brady twice in the SB not once, but won it twice. I could mention Denver did it this post season, but alas if you are already deadset have favoritism with Ford then by all means lets not pick potentially elite talent.

Added to the fact, the Chiefs passrush goes to shit when both Houston and Hali are injured. If an impact player is available you select him, it's all about rotation and keeping the D-Line fresh.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

Red herring, no NYG took down Brady twice in the SB not once, but won it twice. I could mention Denver did it this post season, but alas if you are already deadset have favoritism with Ford then by all means lets not pick potentially elite talent.

Added to the fact, the Chiefs passrush goes to shit when both Houston and Hali are injured. If an impact player is available you select him, it's all about rotation and keeping the D-Line fresh.

But the first time had nothing to do with drafting a layered player - again, Tuck was just a mid-draft find that played great ball.

And they didn't do it by having 3 dynamic pass-rushers the second time - they only had 2 as JPP's performance essentially took Tuck off the field.

And good lord, just how many draft/financial assets are you going to throw at potential backups? Because being worried about what happens when BOTH of our top pass rushers goes down to injury most assuredly shouldn't be how one goes about conducting a draft.

If only we'd have drafted the last impact pass-rusher that fell down the board, right? Randy Gregory would've been the cure to all that ailed us.

[Tribal Warfare]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

But the first time had nothing to do with drafting a layered player - again, Tuck was just a mid-draft find that played great ball.

And they didn't do it by having 3 dynamic pass-rushers the second time - they only had 2 as JPP's performance essentially took Tuck off the field.

And good lord, just how many draft/financial assets are you going to throw at potential backups? Because being worried about what happens when BOTH of our top pass rushers goes down to injury most assuredly shouldn't be how one goes about conducting a draft.

If only we'd have drafted the last impact pass-rusher that fell down the board, right? Randy Gregory would've been the cure to all that ailed us.

and I still maintain that though he was dealing with a high ankle sprain this season.

If you want to win with a game manager you have to invest in the other most important position on the team which is passrushers.

[Dylan]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

That remains a red herring.

Strahan was an aging shell of himself so the Giants grabbed Justin Tuck in the 3rd. They didn't go using 1st round picks on replacements for Strahan, nor did they plan on Tuck being a stud; sometimes it just works out that way.

Then folks want to cite JPP as some strategic masterstroke - the Giants were at a complete impasse with Umenyiora and knew they couldn't keep him so they grabbed JPP. In so doing, they pretty much ended Tuck's time as an effective player.

Let's not act like the Giants snagged JPP and suddenly Umenyiora, Tuck and JPP all set about wrecking stuff - that didn't happen. JPP's ascension came at the expense of Justin Tuck. And Umenyiora walked shortly thereafter.

Let's discuss how those 3 players would actually get on the field at the same time and be effective contributors. You gonna try to turn Houston into an interior pass-rusher? Of the 3, he's the only one that can do it.

It's easy to just say "Giants!" every time as many are prone to doing, but you have have an actual plan here as to how to make all 3 players immediate contributors if you intend to use a first rounder to block a first rounder and/or slide a franchise player into a different role.

I just don't see a way it works.

Giants had a monster defense in the 2007 Super Bowl. With all five regular starters in on defense -- the Giants had five sacks, and a forced fumble, and a couple of Brady's balls batted down. Led by Justin Tuck had two sacks, one forced fumble, Strahan (in his third Super Bowl win), Kawika Mitchell (your boy) and Jay Alford had one sack each.

The Giants rotated its front-line defensive players based on depth and versatility. Despite being a DE, Tuck was able to slide inside alongside edge rushers Osi Umenyiora and Strahan, a huge factor in pressuring Brady all game. Sometimes LBs and DBs blitzed up the middle -- The Giants never let Brady get in a rhythm.

Giants had a league high of 53 sacks in the regular season. Sigh...

[kccrow]

Add S/LB Su'a Cravens

http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com...he-nfl-combine

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by kccrow

Add S/LB Su'a Cravens

Both Cravens and Kevon Seymour are interesting and would fit the Chiefs scheme quite well.

[smith11]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Both Cravens and Kevon Seymour are interesting and would fit the Chiefs scheme quite well.

where do u see cravens for the chiefs.....ilb or safety?

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by smith11

where do u see cravens for the chiefs.....ilb or safety?

Sorensen's spot, but that's why I don't see them drafting a hybrid guy like that since they have March and Sorensen currently on the roster. (And Sorensen is playing much bigger than his listed weight.)

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by smith11

where do u see cravens for the chiefs.....ilb or safety?

Hybrid, like Abdullah