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Old 09-14-2016, 08:25 AM  
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Chiefs release KeiVarae Russell
Rand Gettlin-I'm told the #Chiefs have released defensive back KeiVarae Russell. Special teams numbers game. Super talented player. Likely to be claimed.

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Old 09-14-2016, 01:33 PM   #316
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Absolutely, categorically ZERO chance he doesn't get picked up.
Based on what, exactly?

The guy was a ghost in preseason. He wasn't a good special teamer.

He's most likely going to need to learn an entirely new system and terminology, something that he struggled greatly with his time in KC.

I can't see him helping anyone in 2016.
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Old 09-14-2016, 01:35 PM   #317
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The over/under on teams putting in requests is set at 6. What's everyone taking, the over or under?
Over. Again unless he was a bad reach. Because there are way more than 6 teams who have bad enough defenses/secondaries where they'd take a chance on a 3rd round pick.
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Old 09-14-2016, 01:37 PM   #318
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Over. Again unless he was a bad reach. Because there are way more than 6 teams who have bad enough defenses/secondaries where they'd take a chance on a 3rd round pick.
Where he went in the draft and what kinda grade teams had on him is irrelevant at this point. There's no way they'll just ignore that he's an extremely rare case of a 3rd round pick not even making it to week two of his rookie season. That's going to scare some teams off from just handing him a roster spot. However, I do expect at least one team to put in a claim thoug.
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Old 09-14-2016, 01:38 PM   #319
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The other implication, that no one has mentioned, is that the Chiefs will most definitely be in the market for another cornerback in the draft, whether it's the 1st, 2nd or 3rd round.
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Old 09-14-2016, 01:40 PM   #320
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The over/under on teams putting in requests is set at 6. What's everyone taking, the over or under?
only takes 1

i'm thinking Indy, he can go back to school
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Old 09-14-2016, 01:41 PM   #321
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Clearly. Because you have to keep moving the goalposts since you know that it's inevitable that he's going to be a playmaker. You only said a 20 yard pass. Then, after the bet, you said through the air. Now it has to be from the LOS. So now, if Alex drops 5 yards, throws a pass 19 yards past the LOS, and Hill takes it to the house, you still haven't lost. Nice. I should have expected that from you. If you really believed that he was so horrible, you wouldn't keep moving those goalposts. But whatever. Alex went deep several times on Sunday. It's just a matter of time until Hill gets one.
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Old 09-14-2016, 01:41 PM   #322
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Old 09-14-2016, 01:42 PM   #323
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Over. Again unless he was a bad reach. Because there are way more than 6 teams who have bad enough defenses/secondaries where they'd take a chance on a 3rd round pick.
That's a really poor justification.

Garrett Grayson was a 2015 3rd round pick of the Saints and he was waived earlier this month.

No one claimed him and he's a street free agent. He's not even signed to a Practice Squad.

Being a 3rd round pick that's been waived within the first year is apropos of nothing.
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The other implication, that no one has mentioned, is that the Chiefs will most definitely be in the market for another cornerback in the draft, whether it's the 1st, 2nd or 3rd round.
I don't see us taking one in he 1st or 2nd, but 3rd or later I think is pretty much a guarantee.
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Old 09-14-2016, 01:45 PM   #325
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I don't see us taking one in he 1st or 2nd, but 3rd or later I think is pretty much a guarantee.
I think it depends on how Gaines, Nelson, White and Acker perform in 2016.

If no one steps up opposite Peters, they'll need to make an early move.
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Old 09-14-2016, 01:45 PM   #326
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The other implication, that no one has mentioned, is that the Chiefs will most definitely be in the market for another cornerback in the draft, whether it's the 1st, 2nd or 3rd round.
If we're so deep that we can cut 3rd round picks don't they feel that they're good enough at that position? Honestly, I traveled the entire preseason and didn't get a chance to follow the Chiefs this year, but I know you know your shit well enough to take your word on Russell. That said, if they were in the market was Russell really THAT bad?
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I don't see us taking one in he 1st or 2nd, but 3rd or later I think is pretty much a guarantee.
Just depends on who is available. If a guy falls to them in the 1st, I would assume they'll draft him.

That's Dorsey's MO so far.
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I think it depends on how Gaines, Nelson, White and Acker perform in 2016.

If no one steps up opposite Peters, they'll need to make an early move.
Good point. If one of those guys aren't quality by the end of the year, it'll be a HIGH priority come draft time next year.
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If we're so deep that we can cut 3rd round picks don't they feel that they're good enough at that position? Honestly, I traveled the entire preseason and didn't get a chance to follow the Chiefs this year, but I know you know your shit well enough to take your word on Russell. That said, if they were in the market was Russell really THAT bad?
It just means he's the 54th best player they can get, and obviously don't believe he's ever gonna be much more than that.
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If we're so deep that we can cut 3rd round picks don't they feel that they're good enough at that position? Honestly, I traveled the entire preseason and didn't get a chance to follow the Chiefs this year, but I know you know your shit well enough to take your word on Russell. That said, if they were in the market was Russell really THAT bad?
Russell was invisible during the preseason, save for one play. He was out there with the 3's and 4's all throughout and never flashed.

Clearly, Dave Toub had no interest in keeping him for Special Teams.

I made the observation, which can be found in Preseason thread (I *think*) that if the NFL was a "true* meritocracy, Russell would be cut. Many people disagreed, stating that "he was a 3rd rounder and teams don't cut those guys" or that his "upside" was really high, etc. and so on.

I didn't see him contributing in 2016 and just a few short weeks later, I guess the Chiefs agreed.

Oh, and as to "depth", I think they're still lacking depth but realized that Russell wasn't going to be the answer.
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