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Old 12-26-2016, 08:36 AM  
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Can we talk offensive line?
Can someone please explain to me why our offensive line sucks so bad? We can't open up any holes for Ware, we can't push the ball in from the one yard line, we also let guys run free into the backfield. Is it coaching? Do our players just suck?
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Old 12-26-2016, 02:59 PM   #46
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there were times last night where Denver had 9 in the box. Nine. It's hard for me to put that on the line.
And why Kelce and Hill have been very productive especially Kelce this last half of the season. I have said all along that especially this last half of our season teams have not respected AS and our passing game and have stacked the box and why our running game almost parallels Denver's run game but the difference lies in the fact that AS has far more experience than Siemian in getting the ball into his playmakers hands.
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Old 12-26-2016, 03:31 PM   #47
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While there's room for improvement, the line's playing better than it has for years, and it's only going to get better down the road. And there are other issues which make them look worse. Namely playcalling, which has been horrendous all year from a creativity/predictability standpoint, as well as quarterback play - Smith simply doesn't feel or recognize pressure, and often blindly falls right into it if he doesn't either throw the ball to his primary target in 2.25 seconds or take off running - and finally the stable of backup runningbacks that would be fine as short-term fixes but just aren't 20-carry starting material. We need another starter, Ware needs to split time with him rather than be featured and West needs to be third string.

That's my take at least. And I think guard will be shored up long term once Ehinger is healthy and more seasoned. The line as a whole is a young group that should be even more solid in 17 and moving forward. The other issues will probably remain frustratingly the same.
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Old 12-26-2016, 04:12 PM   #48
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Smith helps the line but also hurts them.

Having a fast release is helpful, yes. Being the king of dink and dunk and giving the Defenses the luxury of sending a lot of guys without having to worry about a huge play puts extra pressure on them. His fixation of stepping up into the pressure doesn't help, either.
There always being a lot of guys in the box is a good point. It was like that last year as well and we did better. Smith helps the o line pass blocking stats, not so much the run game.
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Old 12-26-2016, 04:50 PM   #49
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The line is undersized for smashmouth IMO. Andy likes smaller quicker guys that can get out in space for his WC offense. You dont see guts on our line and teams can bull rush us plowing out undersized center and guards.
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Old 12-26-2016, 04:54 PM   #50
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They're not great , but they sure are capable. And this is after being tested by some of the best defensive lines/pass rushers in the league
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Old 12-26-2016, 05:01 PM   #51
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The line is undersized for smashmouth IMO. Andy likes smaller quicker guys that can get out in space for his WC offense. You dont see guts on our line and teams can bull rush us plowing out undersized center and guards.
What constitutes undersized? Morse is our lightest OL at 305 lbs. Fish and Fulton are both 315 and Schwartz and Tardif are 320.
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Old 12-26-2016, 05:28 PM   #52
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What constitutes undersized? Morse is our lightest OL at 305 lbs. Fish and Fulton are both 315 and Schwartz and Tardif are 320.
Pretty much Tim Grunhards on Frank Boals show after the titans game and also on 810 am.

I dont buy the 305 on Morse he looks small.
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Pretty much Tim Grunhards on Frank Boals show after the titans game and also on 810 am.

I dont buy the 305 on Morse he looks small.
He's 6'6" maybe that hurts him a little.
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The line is undersized for smashmouth IMO. Andy likes smaller quicker guys that can get out in space for his WC offense. You dont see guts on our line and teams can bull rush us plowing out undersized center and guards.
Remember the John Alt days and the 02-05 line !!
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Old 12-26-2016, 05:57 PM   #55
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Remember the John Alt days and the 02-05 line !!
That 2005 line made Ray Ray cry for mercy Roaf, Shields, Weigman, Waters and Black-Welbourn.

Alt man I loved that guy a true warrior with the chronic back he still was one of thes best. If that back hadnt of had problems he most likely would be up with the greats like Roaf.
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That 2005 line made Ray Ray cry for mercy Roaf, Shields, Weigman, Waters and Black-Welbourn.

Alt man I loved that guy a true warrior with the chronic back he still was one of thes best. If that back hadnt of had problems he most likely would be up with the greats like Roaf.
04, I remember that Monday night game. Lewis literally was scared, I loved it !!!
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Grunhart said its a mentality that you just got to get low and drive no matter how it hurts he went on to say look at me and stood up I was never a big guy. He really kind of called Morse out.
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Grunhart said its a mentality that you just got to get low and drive no matter how it hurts he went on to say look at me and stood up I was never a big guy. He really kind of called Morse out.
You dad gum right it is a mentality. I don't care how athletically talented you are IF you don't play football with a "PISS and VINEGAR" mindset you will minimize your production greatly on top of getting hurt.
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Fisher is fine.
Morris is fine.
Scwartz has come on lately and is fine.

Our guards are the problem. Fulton is obviously filling in so I think we're okay long-term there with Eingerer and LDT is OK but could be improved upon, but that's just a fan analysis.
except for Ehringer was shit before Fulton took over

so much so that Fulton felt like an upgrade


Maybe Ehringer will be better once he gets stronger but we can't count on him yet.


I still have doubts about Andy Heck.

Our Dline seems to underperform too imo

Our Head coach is soft so that reflect most in the trenches where toughness is needed the most.
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