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Old 01-03-2017, 11:17 AM   #1
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He's really really raw. Coming from that offense, he's atleast a year away. Maybe 2.

I'd throw a 2nd on him but man, tough sell for me
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Old 01-03-2017, 12:25 PM   #2
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He's really really raw. Coming from that offense, he's atleast a year away. Maybe 2.

I'd throw a 2nd on him but man, tough sell for me
I'd be thrilled to get him in the 2nd round but I wouldn't even blink if they took him in Round 1.

Ideal size, canon for an arm, smart, gutsy player. Yes, he needs at least a full year of development (if not 2) but well worth the risk and waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay ahead of Paxton Lynch, IMO.

Draft him in 2017, sit him all year, let him compete in 2018. If all works well, he could take over mid-season 2018 or at the latest, 2019.
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Old 01-03-2017, 12:29 PM   #3
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I'd be thrilled to get him in the 2nd round but I wouldn't even blink if they took him in Round 1.

Ideal size, canon for an arm, smart, gutsy player. Yes, he needs at least a full year of development (if not 2) but well worth the risk and waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay ahead of Paxton Lynch, IMO.

Draft him in 2017, sit him all year, let him compete in 2018. If all works well, he could take over mid-season 2018 or at the latest, 2019.
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Old 01-03-2017, 12:35 PM   #4
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I'd be thrilled to get him in the 2nd round but I wouldn't even blink if they took him in Round 1.

Ideal size, canon for an arm, smart, gutsy player. Yes, he needs at least a full year of development (if not 2) but well worth the risk and waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay ahead of Paxton Lynch, IMO.

Draft him in 2017, sit him all year, let him compete in 2018. If all works well, he could take over mid-season 2018 or at the latest, 2019.
I thought you were against taking guys in the first round that couldn't play immediately?

I'm not taking a guy in the first thay could potentially need 2 years before he's ready to play. You're losing 2 years of value on the guy, then only have 3 years before you have to pay him.
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Old 01-03-2017, 12:45 PM   #5
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I thought you were against taking guys in the first round that couldn't play immediately?

I'm not taking a guy in the first thay could potentially need 2 years before he's ready to play. You're losing 2 years of value on the guy, then only have 3 years before you have to pay him.
While that is a completely fair complaint, I think it's invalid regarding potential franchise QBs.

If you develop him and he lands, then you've got a franchise guy for 10-15 years. Thats worth the time investment, unless he goes Full Paxton Lynch out of the gate.

Hard to believe the Chiefs reportedly wanted that guy...
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Old 01-03-2017, 12:55 PM   #6
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While that is a completely fair complaint, I think it's invalid regarding potential franchise QBs.

If you develop him and he lands, then you've got a franchise guy for 10-15 years. Thats worth the time investment, unless he goes Full Paxton Lynch out of the gate.

Hard to believe the Chiefs reportedly wanted that guy...
Eh, lynch played 2 games as a rookie. LooKs bad, but not gonna write him off completely at this point.
.the problem is, with a rookie qbs contract, you're afforded a huge bonus to build the team around him because he's cheap for 5 years.

If they guy isn't gonna play for 2 of the 5, or atleast be the starter, your losing 40% of the value to the rest of the team building.

1 year Id think would be applicable, but 2 years is tough. Then you've got to make a decision to pay him as a franchise qb at some point, and you're not gonna do that after seeing him play 1 full year, so you'd have to do it after 2, or with the 5th year option, 3.

I'm not totally against it as you've said, the big reward is a franchise qb. But from a value standpoint, 2 years is tough
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Old 01-05-2017, 03:18 PM   #7
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I thought you were against taking guys in the first round that couldn't play immediately?

I'm not taking a guy in the first thay could potentially need 2 years before he's ready to play. You're losing 2 years of value on the guy, then only have 3 years before you have to pay him.
I am usually against it but in this case, it could be well worth the risk.

Having the 5th year option on a guy that's potentially a Franchise QB is worth its weight in gold.

But if Dorsey & Reid pass on him, it's all good. Josh Norris has done a good job illustrating how much development Mahomes needs, so getting him in the first might be a real reach.
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I am usually against it but in this case, it could be well worth the risk.

Having the 5th year option on a guy that's potentially a Franchise QB is worth its weight in gold.

But if Dorsey & Reid pass on him, it's all good. Josh Norris has done a good job illustrating how much development Mahomes needs, so getting him in the first might be a real reach.
Yeah man, Mahomes has alot of rough edges. I dunno, seems a ways off.
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Old 01-05-2017, 08:58 PM   #9
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I'm not worried about the Air Raid offense for this team. Andy has spread principles all over the place and has basically made the spread offense a huge part of his offense to accommodate Alex.

It's set up for him
Nah, his offense is pretty much one read. That won't work in the NFL.

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I'd be thrilled to get him in the 2nd round but I wouldn't even blink if they took him in Round 1.

Ideal size, canon for an arm, smart, gutsy player. Yes, he needs at least a full year of development (if not 2) but well worth the risk and waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay ahead of Paxton Lynch, IMO.

Draft him in 2017, sit him all year, let him compete in 2018. If all works well, he could take over mid-season 2018 or at the latest, 2019.
If you think he's your guy, take him in the first. If not, don't.

If you think he's your guy do whatever it takes to make him successful over the long term. Rams caught a lot of hell for sitting him, but if he's the guy and he needs to sit, sit him. Fisher was a joke, but he was making the right call if the kid wasn't ready. Now, if the kid sucks, that's bad news, but if he needs to sit, sit him, no matter where he was drafted.
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Nah, his offense is pretty much one read. That won't work in the NFL.



If you think he's your guy, take him in the first. If not, don't.

If you think he's your guy do whatever it takes to make him successful over the long term. Rams caught a lot of hell for sitting him, but if he's the guy and he needs to sit, sit him. Fisher was a joke, but he was making the right call if the kid wasn't ready. Now, if the kid sucks, that's bad news, but if he needs to sit, sit him, no matter where he was drafted.
If he aces his interviews, then I'd take if he's available in the 1st. The kid is a stud
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