The hold that took away our 2 point conversion

[TribalElder]

Happens to Tamba Hali and never gets called

[stonedstooge]

I wonder where the official who threw the flag was lined up. I'm not sure how a side judge sees that block from his position, if that's where he lines up on a 2 point conversion(sideline)

[NJChiefsFan]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

It's par for the course.

Had the Chiefs played adequate football, that hold would've pissed me off. That play happens to Hali all the time. The explanation given has always been that Hali creates the hold through leans that force an otherwise legal block to slide up on him.

Essentially exactly what happened with the Harrison play.

And I think I've seen Hali get that flag once in the last 5-6 years. It just doesn't get called when guys have that kind of lean.

But like I said, I'm not blaming the ref when we played like shattered ass.

Thanks for having the energy to make the points I'm too disappointed to attempt to make.

Many people today said it was a rough loss but thought it was a hold. When I showed them the pictures of the calls not made, they agreed they were worse. It sucks. Kc didn't get any help from the refs. In fact they got the short end.

There are so many plays that the actual chief players failed at. Just because they found a way back doesn't mean the last call negates all that.

Hell, if Sutton had made a real call maybe we get the ball back. If Andy reid didn't drain the clock on himself FOR THE SECOND FREAKING YEAR IN A ROW IN THE PLAYOFFS maybe we have two downs to play with. How about kelce catches a ball that would have changed the game. Or Wilson. Maybe Smith can see hill on a lb as a miss match. Maybe we could adjust to the run before the fourth quarter. Maybe our special team blocking doesn't get it's shit pushed in.

The pit running game sucked all the momentum and energy out of the offense. Our offense played with this weight that it wasn't getting the ball back if it punted and it was right. Pit didn't just get fgs. They controlled the game and that affected our offense. Focusing our anger on calls is not doing justice to what kc players do and don't deserve. We let pit control the game for all but the first 10 and last 10 minutes. And when that happens, yep, luck and bad calls come into it. It's playing with fire. It sucks. Would have been fun to see us try to beat ne. Kc should blame itself though.

I would love to see the refs called out for missing these calls, but it doesn't change that the chiefs are to blame. Just think what happens if Wilson or kelce catch their passes. That is at minimum 6 more points.

[NJChiefsFan]

Originally Posted by stonedstooge

I wonder where the official who threw the flag was lined up. I'm not sure how a side judge sees that block from his position, if that's where he lines up on a 2 point conversion(sideline)

Cheffers himself called it.

[cdcox]

Originally Posted by Amnorix

That TB one is completely ridiculous.

When Hali was in his prime that could happen three plays in one drive. I think the NFL decided that they would quit calling holding on plays like that because then Hali would be unblockable. For them to take point off the board on the exact kind of play that had been ignored for years was egregious to Chiefs fans.

[GloryDayz]

Originally Posted by Amnorix

That TB one is completely ridiculous.

Not if you're ****-face Cheffers! Not that he or his crew missed that prticular call, but I'm sure Cheffers and other ****-face retired WWE/NFL refs would defend it as a good non-call (because it's the Chiefs!!!!). Somehow they would explain it away.

Who am I fooling, nobody's every going to question these ****ing idiot hacks unless it's on of the NFL's favored teams.

[Anyong Bluth]

Originally Posted by cdcox

When Hali was in his prime that could happen three plays in one drive. I think the NFL decided that they would quit calling holding on plays like that because then Hali would be unblockable. For them to take point off the board on the exact kind of play that had been ignored for years was egregious to Chiefs fans.

Thus lies my problem.

Call it.
Don't call it.

Just be ****ing consistent, and don't have the gall to tell me all those other calls were innocently missed but on the biggest play of the game they finally spotted it.

It's insulting.

Was the flag even thrown before Travis made the catch? I still never saw the flag, just the notification at the bottom after they converted the 2 point try.


Going forward, I am done with financially contributing to the NFL. It's not a criticism of this team. I actually like this team. But I'm not going to invest as much time or emotion, and ZERO money to a joke league run by Roger & his stooges. I can get by with being a casual fan who can check in on how the Chiefs are doing, but I'll expect zero postseason success absent KC somehow lands the best QB in the NFL & the league office is forced to suck off the Chiefs & their poster boy star QB. Then, the rest is just gravy.

[GloryDayz]

Originally Posted by cdcox

When Hali was in his prime that could happen three plays in one drive. I think the NFL decided that they would quit calling holding on plays like that because then Hali would be unblockable. For them to take point off the board on the exact kind of play that had been ignored for years was egregious to Chiefs fans.

It's certainly one of the great questions surrounding the NFL's image. I'm sure the NFL doesn't care because these terrible acts are being inflicted on a team the NFL's front office doesn't care too much about. Basically we're a filler team for the NFL, we're there to support the stars, but we need to be careful, stay in the shadows and don't ever walk into the favored team's spotlight.

Hey, Hunt gets paid $88M for playing that part! He's a ****ing pussy-ass coward Texan!

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by cdcox

When Hali was in his prime that could happen three plays in one drive. I think the NFL decided that they would quit calling holding on plays like that because then Hali would be unblockable. For them to take point off the board on the exact kind of play that had been ignored for years was egregious to Chiefs fans.

cdcox is not exaggerating.

That's the thing that's so frustrating. It's not getting a penalty call on the play that ties the game. It's getting a penalty call on a situation that we've seen go uncalled consistently for years.

[BlackOp]

NFL makes all officials sign a gag order....they cant talk to anyone. Coaches cant question officiating for fear of getting fined. NFL handles all issues internally...away from media.

They can do what ever they want...when ever they want. They answer to no one. It's a total monopoly of oversight...which has become more overt since Goodell's promise to increase profits by over 200%.

It's a junk sport....corrupt.

[GloryDayz]

Originally Posted by BlackOp

NFL makes all officials sign a gag order....they cant talk to anyone. Coaches cant question officiating for fear of getting fined. NFL handles all issues internally...away from media.

They can do what ever they want...when ever they want. They answer to no one. It's a total monopoly of oversight...which has become more overt since Goodell's promise to increase profits by over 200%.

It's a junk sport....corrupt.

That's why Hunt should quit being the cuck pussy he is and tell them that he might break with tradition, and if they fine him he won't pay, and he has lawyers too. And if they choose to bring it to court, he'll do his level best to bring into evidence what started the track to the fine. Him speaking out publicly could be litigated as his right to free speech. He'll lose, but it would be fun watching all the evidence and testimony. Could you imagine a judge asking Cheffers to testify how those other calls were missed?

I know it won't happen, but it's a more plausible dream that either Hunt defending the team's/city's honor, or the Chiefs ever being allowed into a AFCCG or SB.

Hunt is a ****! I can only hope his kids roll away from the tree and pollinate some balls!

[GloryDayz]

Wondering if Amnorix will ever reply to my reply to him...

[BlackOp]

The real issue is profit sharing...there is less incentive for small market teams...or small cities without "star power" to do well. It costs every owner money if Detroit or KC does well in the play-offs.

Cleveland gets the same amount at Dallas...Owners arent going to fire themselves for a poor product. They are making $220+ million just in advertising/TV a year even if they go 1-15.

They are paying Goodell over $100,000 a day...and it sure as shit isn't for putting a fair product on the field...it about finding new avenues to extract profit. If that means only star-named, marketable QB's go the the SB...so be it. Everyone enjoy all the extras commercials this year? NFL knows it made the viewing experience suck...but they didn't care. Small no-name teams in the SB wont build their "brand" internationally.

Goodell vowed to increase profit by 150% over the next 10 years...to 25 billion annually. KC/Detroit SB wont get them there...this is more McDonalds that sport. It's about having the most consumers possible...quality is secondary.

[GloryDayz]

Originally Posted by BlackOp

The real issue is profit sharing...there is less incentive for small market teams...or small cities without "star power" to do well. It costs every owner money if Detroit or KC does well in the play-offs.

Cleveland gets the same amount at Dallas...Owners arent going to fire themselves for a poor product. They are making $220+ million just in advertising/TV a year even if they go 1-15.

They are paying Goodell over $100,000 a day...and it sure as shit isn't for putting a fair product on the field...it about finding new avenues to extract profit. If that means only star-named, marketable QB's go the the SB...so be it. Everyone enjoy all the extras commercials this year? NFL knows it made the viewing experience suck...but they didn't care. Small no-name teams in the SB wont build their "brand" internationally.

Goodell vowed to increase profit by 150% over the next 10 years...to 25 billion annually. KC/Detroit SB wont get them there...this is more McDonalds that sport. It's about having the most consumers possible...quality is secondary.

The NFL sure is happy that all this truth is being shouted in a sound-proof server in KC. Now, they've done a good job being able to control the strings that keep relevant issues from being widely discussed, but they suck just the same for being assholes. And Hunt's the worst of the lot. I hope Karma shoves a phone pole up his ass and leaves him there on display. ****ing asshole Texan!

[BlackOp]

Originally Posted by GloryDayz

The NFL sure is happy that all this truth is being shouted in a sound-proof server in KC. Now, they've done a good job being able to control the strings that keep relevant issues from being widely discussed, but they suck just the same for being assholes. And Hunt's the worst of the lot. I hope Karma shoves a phone pole up his ass and leaves him there on display. ****ing asshole Texan!

They created their own freaking network and filled with "yes men"...so if topics get hot, they defuse it with ex-coaches/players and talking heads, who are all on the dole. Their narrative is delivered from the producer in pre-production. They are not going to kill (expose) their golden goose. It's just a modeled, small-scale version on how the government handles it's propaganda. If Vegas needs a swing in betting...shift the talk.

It's amazing how someone on TV is assumed to be truthful and more knowledgeable than their own common sense/internal compass..."appeal to authority" is a real trait. To hear people rationalize what just happened to their team by bringing up other factors...like "well if they played better before the hold". No...the game was were it was at...about to be tied and a ref dictated the outcome.

The reason everyone feels cheated and is looking for answers..is because they were.

It had an eery similarity to the Cardinals game 2 seasons ago...they were about to go up 2 scores. Ref rated until a TD was made then threw a late flag for offensive PI. KC players were already headed to the sidelines before they realized there was a flag.

Everyone's clamoring for a top QB prospect...and its justified. If it's a name people in China can remember...it wont matter even if you are the 32nd rated QB. The NFL needs WWF extremes...and Smith is it's whipping boy. They have framed him as a total failure with their narratives...but has the 3rd best winning percentage over the past half-decade. It would be higher if they didn't screw KC at crucial times. Is what it is...he has his role.

The sad thing is..unless you have a QB that can move Pepsi and pizza, you arent winning anything. It's NFL Inc...Goodell's 25 billion dollar masturbatory extortion nightmare.

[Anyong Bluth]

It be great if random games started having aerial signs flyover games or skywrite "The NFL is fixed"

Hell put it on a tshirt or sign and try to get on TV with it.

Hell, start a twitter account and screen cap play after shady play - call or no call with #NFLfake eventually it would gain enough traction that people would Hashtag and post their own examples and be a mountain of proof of how shitty and shady it is.

A PR nightmare might be about the only thing that Roger would sit up and take notice of it then. No different than the concussion scandal or domestic violence blowups.


Why do you think they've made the catch rule impossibly vague. So they can decide if they want to call it a catch or not whenever it suits them and the rules are so arcane it holds up regardless of how they rule it.