Colts fire Grigson

[milkman]

Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan

You wouldn't trade Dorsey for luck?! Especially with ballard in the wings.

I wouldn't.

First, there is no guarantee that Ballard would be as good as Dorsey.

Second, for all the hype that Luck gets, he is overhyped.

He isn't raising the level of play around him.
He holds the ball too long, making the line in front of him look worse than they are, which is not to say they are good.
He makes bad decisions, throws bad picks, and he is not leading that team to division crowns in a weak ass division.

Third, I believe when Dorsey sees the right QB in the draft, he will pull the trigger, and further, if he needs to make a move in the draft to get that guy, he will.

I'd rather Dorsey be the guy to continue to put talent around his drafted QB than hope that Ballard isn't a bust GM.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by milkman

I wouldn't.

First, there is no guarantee that Ballard would be as good as Dorsey.

Second, for all the hype that Luck gets, he is overhyped.

He isn't raising the level of play around him.
He holds the ball too long, making the line in front of him look worse than they are, which is not to say they are good.
He makes bad decisions, throws bad picks, and he is not leading that team to division crowns in a weak ass division.

Third, I believe when Dorsey sees the right QB in the draft, he will pull the trigger, and further, if he needs to make a move in the draft to get that guy, he will.

I'd rather Dorsey be the guy to continue to put talent around his drafted QB than hope that Ballard isn't a bust GM.

Dorsey has reportedly seen the right QB twice now, and each time he got out-dueled in the trade up.

I have no faith that even if Dorsey sees his guy that he'll have the balls to go get him. He's going to stay the course and not put all his eggs in a single basket.

[BossChief]

"Quick! Before they have a chance to think about it"

[BossChief]

Ballard + Luck + existing KC roster = perennial Super Bowl team with real shot to become a true dynasty.

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by BossChief

Ballard + Luck + existing KC roster = perennial Super Bowl team with real shot to become a true dynasty.

Yea, but would it continue beyond a few seasons if Ballard can't acquire the talent like Dorsey seems to be doing?

2-3 window of legit super bowl contention versus 10 years of high-level talent?

We don't know what Ballard can do.

Is Dorsey really doing great or is it Andy?
Is Andy really great or is it Dorsey?

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

Yea, but would it continue beyond a few seasons if Ballard can't acquire the talent like Dorsey seems to be doing?

2-3 window of legit super bowl contention versus 10 years of high-level talent?

We don't know what Ballard can do.

Is Dorsey really doing great or is it Andy?
Is Andy really great or is it Dorsey?

Who the hell cares? You still make that deal instantly.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Yeah that suuuure sounds realistic Humble one

[Dunerdr]

A trade for luck... two firsts and Alex smith?

[BucEyedPea]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Adam Schefter

Colts have relieved GM Ryan Grigson of his duties, league source tells ESPN.

About ****ing time

[wheeler08]

Manning has already said NO

[wheeler08]

Grigson could go down as one of the worst drafters ever. With glaring holes at offensive line, he drafted WR Phillip Dorset in first round. I don't think he's even a starter.

[kccrow]

I don't think taking Dorsett was necessarily the issue itself. I was screaming for KC to draft that kid. I envisioned Dorsett being the weapon here that Hill has become. Same type of blazing speed. Problem is, the coaching staff in Indy has no ****ing clue how to use him. That's not Grigson's fault.

Grigson also drafted quite a few O-Lineman. In fact, the only draft he didn't was the one he took Dorsett in. He spent premium picks on those guys too, 1st to 4th rounders. Effort was there, results were not.

He had the unenviable task when he arrived of having to fix the whole thing. That defense was 100% depleted or old as **** and they never had an O-line worth a shit the entire time Manning played there because he masked it. The receivers were old too and they had no running back. Grigson tried to do it, but too many picks failed to produce.

Grigson may have drafted the wrong guys, absolutely would agree with that. However, I think as least as much of the failure needs to be pinned on their shitty head coach and that staff.

[wheeler08]

Originally Posted by kccrow

I don't think taking Dorsett was necessarily the issue itself. I was screaming for KC to draft that kid. I envisioned Dorsett being the weapon here that Hill has become. Same type of blazing speed. Problem is, the coaching staff in Indy has no ****ing clue how to use him. That's not Grigson's fault.

Grigson also drafted quite a few O-Lineman. In fact, the only draft he didn't was the one he took Dorsett in. He spent premium picks on those guys too, 1st to 4th rounders. Effort was there, results were not.

He had the unenviable task when he arrived of having to fix the whole thing. That defense was 100% depleted or old as **** and they never had an O-line worth a shit the entire time Manning played there because he masked it. The receivers were old too and they had no running back. Grigson tried to do it, but too many picks failed to produce.

Grigson may have drafted the wrong guys, absolutely would agree with that. However, I think as least as much of the failure needs to be pinned on their shitty head coach and that staff.

Wasn't he the guy that traded at least a 1st round pick for Trent Richardson? End of story

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by wheeler08

Wasn't he the guy that traded at least a 1st round pick for Trent Richardson? End of story

Traded their 2014 1st that ended up 26th overall. I guess he had hoped Richardson was just shit in Cleveland, because the guy looked like the next great thing at 'Bama. Problem was, he was just shit. Bad, deal, but I understand it. It was a during the season move to try and boost the Colts bad running game and it backfired badly. Probably his worst move as a GM. I don't love Grigson, don't get me wrong. I just think there is more bad with the coaching than the GM. He'll find work again in a scouting department soon.