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Old 01-31-2017, 12:32 AM   #1
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The defense gave up a shit ton of yards. I know they had a lot of takeaways, and tended to stiffen in the red zone, but that's not a model I trust to get the job done, especially in the playoffs going up against the golden boy teams.
I have to believe that Dorsey is gonna address the ILB position be it in FA or the draft. That alone will do wonders to shore up the D against the run. I don't trust that DJ is going to return and even if he does... that he will be anywhere near as effective as he was.
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Old 01-31-2017, 12:38 AM   #2
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I have to believe that Dorsey is gonna address the ILB position be it in FA or the draft. That alone will do wonders to shore up the D against the run. I don't trust that DJ is going to return and even if he does... that he will be anywhere near as effective as he was.
I don't care about yards given up, especially on the ground.

It's a passing league, which should be evident to anyone that watches the game and realizes the two best passing offenses in the NFL are squaring off Sunday.

Sutton runs the "Bend, don't break" and held the Steelers to six field goals.

The Patriots gave up two TD's to the same offense.

The Chiefs defense isn't at issue.
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Old 01-31-2017, 12:50 AM   #3
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I don't care about yards given up, especially on the ground.

It's a passing league, which should be evident to anyone that watches the game and realizes the two best passing offenses in the NFL are squaring off Sunday.

Sutton runs the "Bend, don't break" and held the Steelers to six field goals.

The Patriots gave up two TD's to the same offense.

The Chiefs defense isn't at issue.
I agree. BUT... if there is one glaring hole in the Chiefs defense it is their inability to stop the run. Especially after DJ went down. I also agree that this is a pass first league but that said, had they been able to hold Bell to 120 yards vs 170 yards... that would likely have been the game.

Not to say that we could have asked them to perform better against the Steelers or that the D is a problem. We should have been able to score more than 16 at home.
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Old 01-31-2017, 12:55 AM   #4
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I agree. BUT... if there is one glaring hole in the Chiefs defense it is their inability to stop the run. Especially after DJ went down. I also agree that this is a pass first league but that said, had they been able to hold Bell to 120 yards vs 170 yards... that would likely have been the game.

Not to say that we could have asked them to perform better against the Steelers or that the D is a problem. We should have been able to score more than 16 at home.
Any time an NFL team holds the opposing team to 20 points or less, that team should win, hands down.

Blaming the defense for the loss against Pittsburgh, Houston, Tampa or Tennessee is outright ****ing stupid.

The offense need to score more than 12 or 17 or 18 points if the team wants to win an average game.

The Chiefs failed.
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Old 01-31-2017, 01:00 AM   #5
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Any time an NFL team holds the opposing team to 20 points or less, that team should win, hands down.
Pretty sure that is exactly what I said.

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Blaming the defense for the loss against Pittsburgh, Houston, Tampa or Tennessee is outright ****ing stupid.
Pretty sure I said the D wasn't to blame.

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The offense need to score more than 12 or 17 or 18 points if the team wants to win an average game.

The Chiefs failed.
Agreed.

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You are missing the context of my posting. I'm stating that our D is fantastic. IF there was one area in which they could stand to improve... it would be the run defense. The biggest hole in our run defense is at ILB. By drafting or picking up an ILB in FA they could address that issue.

Do you disagree with that?
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Old 01-31-2017, 01:04 AM   #6
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I'm stating that our D is fantastic.
Our defense is not fantastic, give up too many yards to be fantastic.


Defense is solid and opportunistic
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Old 01-31-2017, 01:05 AM   #7
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Our defense is not fantastic, give up too many yards to be fantastic.


Defense is solid and opportunistic
Ok... I can go with that.
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Old 01-31-2017, 01:11 AM   #8
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Our defense is not fantastic, give up too many yards to be fantastic.


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Agreed.

Our D has several playmakers that can make people forget that they tend to be on the field for awhile. It's more dynamic than stout (outside the red zone where they were very good). And of the course the run D was a massive issue.
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You are missing the context of my posting. I'm stating that our D is fantastic. IF there was one area in which they could stand to improve... it would be the run defense. The biggest hole in our run defense is at ILB. By drafting or picking up an ILB in FA they could address that issue.

Do you disagree with that?
It's not that I disagree, it's that I don't think the Chiefs should throw valuable resources (i.e) cap space and high draft picks on defensive players.

A slippery running back, better guard play and better WR play will go just as far, IMO, in eliminating the run game issue as would throwing dough and picks at "run stufffers".

This league is all about QB play, WR's, TE's and dynamic RB"s (not run of the mill guys like West and Ware)

Shore those positions up and the defensive stats against the run change considerably.
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