Let's talk defense

[jspchief]

Originally Posted by JoeyChuckles

I say we finish the season ranked 27th and Sutton is gone. Maybe that's just a dream.

Agree with the first half of your comment but I'm not confident about the second half.

This defense has less talent than it has had in years, and we all know coaching isn't going to have an impact. I expect the defense to be pretty bad.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by jspchief

Agree with the first half of your comment but I'm not confident about the second half.

This defense has less talent than it has had in years, and we all know coaching isn't going to have an impact. I expect the defense to be pretty bad.

Where did the defense take a step back?

DL lost Bennie Logan and Rakeem Roches, but added Xavier Williams and drafted Breeland Speaks (should play DE and OLB) and Derrick Nhadi. I think that’s an obvious upgrade to the DL.

ILB lost DJ, Ramik Wilson and Kevin Pierre Lewis...but added one of the better young ILBs in the game in Anthony Hitchens. I was vocal about hoping we could bring him here and am excited to see him in red. He’s a tone setting 3 down backer. We also drafted DOD and re-signed Terrance Smith. Just going from the ghost of DJ to a young Hitchens is a big upgrade. I think it’s obvious the ILBs are upgraded.

OLB losses the ghost of Tamba Hali and adds Breeland Speaks, a fully healthy Houston, the second year of Passagnon, a healthy Ford (hopefully) and this position group is easily upgraded from last year.

Safety gets all pro Eric Berry back and has great competition at the other safety spot. Golden was an underrated signing and if Watts can learn to tackle, Murray might not even make the team. We might cut/trade Sorensen because this group has good depth and Sorensen is a bit overpaid. Just getting Berry back upgraded the position group.

CB is the spot I can see we possibly downgraded. I’m a big MP fan and think the defense is going to really miss him and I hate the Amerson signing...but in reality if you count Fuller and Peters as a wash, the group is either the same or upgraded.

Lost
Peters
Gaines (addition by subtraction)
Acker
Mitchell (underrated loss)
Baxter

Added/still have
Kendall Fuller
Stephen Nelson
David Amerson
Tremon Smith
Keith Reasor
Will Redmond

The interesting part about this position group is I think Veach has a good eye for talent and he passes on a ton of good talent at CB in the draft and mentioned Reasor and Redmond as reasons why in an interview. I like the gamble and vote of confidence in those two.

If he’s right, the CBs are upgraded, if not, Amerson will get toasted early and often and his replacements won’t fair any better and that spot will kill the defense.

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by BossChief

if you count Fuller and Peters as a wash, the group is either the same or upgraded.

No one would ever do that.

[Best22]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

No one would ever do that.

They're both very good players with different play-styles

PFF had Fuller as the higher rated corner in 2017, and many Redskin players looked at him as one of their top defensive players (one player even called him "the best")

Fuller is a stud

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by BossChief

Where did the defense take a step back?

DL lost Bennie Logan and Rakeem Roches, but added Xavier Williams and drafted Breeland Speaks (should play DE and OLB) and Derrick Nhadi. I think that’s an obvious upgrade to the DL.

ILB lost DJ, Ramik Wilson and Kevin Pierre Lewis...but added one of the better young ILBs in the game in Anthony Hitchens. I was vocal about hoping we could bring him here and am excited to see him in red. He’s a tone setting 3 down backer. We also drafted DOD and re-signed Terrance Smith. Just going from the ghost of DJ to a young Hitchens is a big upgrade. I think it’s obvious the ILBs are upgraded.

OLB losses the ghost of Tamba Hali and adds Breeland Speaks, a fully healthy Houston, the second year of Passagnon, a healthy Ford (hopefully) and this position group is easily upgraded from last year.

Safety gets all pro Eric Berry back and has great competition at the other safety spot. Golden was an underrated signing and if Watts can learn to tackle, Murray might not even make the team. We might cut/trade Sorensen because this group has good depth and Sorensen is a bit overpaid. Just getting Berry back upgraded the position group.

CB is the spot I can see we possibly downgraded. I’m a big MP fan and think the defense is going to really miss him and I hate the Amerson signing...but in reality if you count Fuller and Peters as a wash, the group is either the same or upgraded.

Lost
Peters
Gaines (addition by subtraction)
Acker
Mitchell (underrated loss)
Baxter

Added/still have
Kendall Fuller
Stephen Nelson
David Amerson
Tremon Smith
Keith Reasor
Will Redmond

The interesting part about this position group is I think Veach has a good eye for talent and he passes on a ton of good talent at CB in the draft and mentioned Reasor and Redmond as reasons why in an interview. I like the gamble and vote of confidence in those two.

If he’s right, the CBs are upgraded, if not, Amerson will get toasted early and often and his replacements won’t fair any better and that spot will kill the defense.

Why would you hate the Amerson signing? He was one of the top-rated CBs in the league 2 years ago and we got him on a 1-year prove it deal. This defense was AWFUL last year. WITH Marcus Peters. The front end of the defense required drastic measures. That’s what people should be worried about. If a bunch of these front 7 guys don’t pan out, that’s going to be the real issue. Quite frankly if Hitchens plays up to his own standard and O’Daniel pans out, the defense could be dramatically improved just with those two moves alone.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Why would you hate the Amerson signing? He was one of the top-rated CBs in the league 2 years ago and we got him on a 1-year prove it deal. This defense was AWFUL last year. WITH Marcus Peters. The front end of the defense required drastic measures. That’s what people should be worried about. If a bunch of these front 7 guys don’t pan out, that’s going to be the real issue. Quite frankly if Hitchens plays up to his own standard and O’Daniel pans out, the defense could be dramatically improved just with those two moves alone.

IMO Amerson is trash. I’ve never watched a game where he wasn’t the targeted guy in the secondary and burnt consistently.

I think that same things gonna happen in KC. He’s gonna be the weakest link in the chain.

JMO

[loochy]

Originally Posted by BossChief

IMO Amerson is trash. I’ve never watched a game where he wasn’t the targeted guy in the secondary and burnt consistently.

I think that same things gonna happen in KC. He’s gonna be the weakest link in the chain.

JMO

That's how I feel too. Although this will be no different than last year with Gaines, right?

He CAN'T be worse than Gaines.

Right?

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by loochy

That's how I feel too. Although this will be no different than last year with Gaines, right?

He CAN'T be worse than Gaines.

Right?

He’s better than Gaines (not by much) but I think Terrance Mitchell is better.

The fact Veach tried to sign Kyle Fuller to an offer sheet tells me he’s not sold on Amerson, either.

[htismaqe]

He played for the Raiders and their pass rush, even with Mack, was terrible. Comparing him to Gaines isn’t even logical. The guy rated as one of the best CBs in the league by PFF. That isnt “trash” when you go from first to worst. That’s a transitory issue. There’s just as much reason to believe he can play like he did 2 years ago as there is he will play like he did last year.

[loochy]

Originally Posted by BossChief

He’s better than Gaines (not by much) but I think Terrance Mitchell is better.

The fact Veach tried to sign Kyle Fuller to an offer sheet tells me he’s not sold on Amerson, either.

Now THAT would be a move, let me tell ya
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[RunKC]

Originally Posted by BossChief

He’s better than Gaines (not by much) but I think Terrance Mitchell is better.

The fact Veach tried to sign Kyle Fuller to an offer sheet tells me he’s not sold on Amerson, either.

There’s some smoke going on about the supplemental draft. We could use a 2nd to get that Beal kid. He apparently would have been a 2nd rd talent in the draft.

It’s on Wednesday so we’ll see