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Old 01-21-2019, 08:39 PM  
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Old 01-22-2019, 07:32 AM   #46
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I saw the McCourtys play at Rutgers often during their Schiano era and always liked them. Sucks that years later they hurt our team. Kenny Britt, Ray Rice and Mohamed Sanu were teammates at that time. They had talent.
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Old 01-22-2019, 07:45 AM   #48
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Yea the beginning of a great career with 0 SB’s

Mahomes in the next Marino unfortunately
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STOP.

The game isn't even the same.
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Mahomes in the next Marino unfortunately
Step back from the ledge my fiend.
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Old 01-22-2019, 09:12 AM   #51
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Mahomes in the next Marino unfortunately
You have ZERO perspective.

You're a butthurt fan overreacting like an angry child...
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Old 01-22-2019, 09:18 AM   #52
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Mahomes in the next Marino unfortunately
Good grief. We are talking about a first year starter carrying a team a coin toss and literally inches away from a super bowl. A starter who continued to get better as the season went along and will continue to improve.
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Why didn’t the chiefs do this to Edelman?
You mean and make Brady actually have to take some time and go through progressions instead of allowing him to get rid of the ball in less than 2.5 seconds? Fricking crazy how Grandpa couldn't adjust...really all year. Our talent is not as bad as what the stats say. He better be gone.
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Old 01-22-2019, 09:19 AM   #54
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If you double Edelman then Brady will just focus on Gronk, or get to Hogan through his progressions. I do think the Chiefs would have been wise to jam Edelman at the line to throw off the timing and give the pass rush a little more time to get there. A prime Berry would have allowed them to do that, as he could cover Gronk fairly well. As is, they didn't have the horses, especially if they both weren't on the same side and you couldn't use triangle coverage.

Greater imagination in defensive fronts (amoeba looks, standing DL) or late shifts just before the snap to **** with Brady would have also helped.

Almost by definition, amoeba fronts and late shifts assumes that you're not going to **** yourself up more than the other guy by doing that stuff. Those are pretty advanced techniques, and i'm honestly not sure the Chiefs defense was good enough to do pull that off without creating more problems for themselves than for the Patriots.

Maybe the Chiefs defense has alot of seasoned vets who could handle it all. I'd imagine guys like Houston and Berry could. But could the rest?
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Old 01-22-2019, 09:24 AM   #55
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You mean and make Brady actually have to take some time and go through progressions instead of allowing him to get rid of the ball in less than 2.5 seconds? Fricking crazy how Grandpa couldn't adjust...really all year. Our talent is not as bad as what the stats say. He better be gone.

You think Brady wouldn't recognize a "double Edelman" look pre-snap and go elsewhere with the ball in 2.5 seconds?

The reality is I don't think the Chiefs defense has the horses to do terribly much to stop good offenses who execute well. You can blame Sutton if you like -- and maybe he does suck, I don't pretend to have watched that many Chiefs games -- but it's not like your defense is overloaded with talent so far as i can tell, and it's not like the Patriots haven't done this to plenty of other teams.
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Yeah, Patrick needs to learn to hit those checkdowns when the protection is falling apart and the deep guys aren't open. Hopefully that is his next big step forward. That'll reduce the sacks and negative plays some. The fine line is not coaching the agressiveness out of him but rather just getting him to settle some when it's just not there. I think he will get there.

Once you start doing that, then the double teams are now in your favor.
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You think Brady wouldn't recognize a "double Edelman" look pre-snap and go elsewhere with the ball in 2.5 seconds?

The reality is I don't think the Chiefs defense has the horses to do terribly much to stop good offenses who execute well. You can blame Sutton if you like -- and maybe he does suck, I don't pretend to have watched that many Chiefs games -- but it's not like your defense is overloaded with talent so far as i can tell, and it's not like the Patriots haven't done this to plenty of other teams.
Where did I say "overloaded with talent?" The difference between an average defense in the NFL and horrendous is often coaching. A middle of the road defense with that offense is all that is needed.
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Should have.

Reid was running Hill deep to clear out the underneath. It's incredibly effective if the blocking holds up and the other receivers are making plays...but

1) Kelce might as well have been Jake O'Connell yesterday
2) The OL could not hold their blocks long enough for the D to clear out
3) Mahomes held on to the ball too long

Pass blocking improved in the second half which is why Watkins put up so much yardage. However, using Hill horizontally and motioning him creates chaos for the defense and would actually force McCourty up (eventually), which would open up things for all the receivers over the top.

To use a boxing analogy:

Pre-prison Tyson used his jab, footwork, and defense to get inside on his opponent and set up combinations that took their heads off. Post-prison Tyson waded into the pocket and looked for a single bomb. It could still work, but it was much easier to defend, and left him open to far more punishment.

Andy's gameplan was like post-prison Tyson.
Excellent analysis and you are spot on with the boxing analogy.
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Those are pretty advanced techniques, and i'm honestly not sure the Chiefs defense was good enough to do pull that off without creating more problems for themselves than for the Patriots.
And may explain why Sutton resists adjustments a lot of the times because he knows he doesn't have the talent to pull it off.
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