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Old 03-04-2019, 04:52 PM  
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Old 03-05-2019, 12:20 PM   #331
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Aaron Donald is a once-in-a-generation player, surrounded by guys that either are, or have been, dynamic playmakers at their position.

In the most critical situation of their season, they let the Patriots offense of unathletic, average, white guys march right down the field and seal the game.
They also held them to what, 13 points?

I'm not going to make any decisions or make any plans based of the Patriots model. It's just not something that can be duplicated.
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Old 03-05-2019, 12:21 PM   #332
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They also held them to what, 13 points?

I'm not going to make any decisions or make any plans based of the Patriots model. It's just not something that can be duplicated.
My point is, there are multiple ways to build a decent defense that don't involve giving $16M to a guy that has never had any consistency in his career.
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Old 03-05-2019, 12:22 PM   #333
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Let me make this clear, AGAIN.

If you're tagging Ford, it's a 1-year deal. Stop saying you need something to build around. You're not building around a 1-year deal. Those two ideas don't coexist.
It's a year tag to see if he's a player you CAN build around.
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Old 03-05-2019, 12:23 PM   #334
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It's a year tag to see if he's a player you CAN build around.
he is 28 years right now, he is not a guy you can build around.
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NFL defense isn't about dynamic playmakers anymore. We had TWO of them this season and in the biggest game of the season, they were completely neutralized.

Defense in the modern NFL is about intelligence, cohesion, and discipline. Just a few more things Ford lacks.
The game will always be about playmakers.

And never judge everything just based on one game.

The Patriots are a dynasty for a reason and the Chiefs coverage in that game was dreadful.
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It's a year tag to see if he's a player you CAN build around.
You don't tag him, then extend him next year.

He's a year older and you've lost the ability to gain any value in a long term deal situation.

Either tag him and let him walk, trade him now, or tag and trade him next year.
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Aaron Donald is a once-in-a-generation player, surrounded by guys that either are, or have been, dynamic playmakers at their position.

In the most critical situation of their season, they let the Patriots offense of unathletic, average, white guys march right down the field and seal the game.
That's a terrible example. They're a SB defense that held the Pats to 13 points.

And the Pats are an outlier. No other team in pro-sports has done what the Pats have done.

Trying to emulate the Pats is a fools errand that has failed countless times.
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You don't tag him, then extend him next year.

He's a year older and you've lost the ability to gain any value in a long term deal situation.

Either tag him and let him walk, trade him now, or tag and trade him next year.
This.

Tagging him this year and then giving him a deal next year would be monumentally ****ing stupid.
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The game will always be about playmakers.

And never judge everything just based on one game.
Not okay to judge anything based on one game but okay to judge a player's career based on one anomalous season. I love Chiefsplanet.

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The Patriots are a dynasty for a reason and the Chiefs coverage in that game was dreadful.
Yeah, so let's give all of our cap money to a DE that had zero sacks in that game and did nothing to help out said secondary. That should change everything.
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It's a year tag to see if he's a player you CAN build around.


This argument is over.
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You don't tag him, then extend him next year.

He's a year older and you've lost the ability to gain any value in a long term deal situation.

Either tag him and let him walk, trade him now, or tag and trade him next year.
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This.

Tagging him this year and then giving him a deal next year would be monumentally ****ing stupid.
I'm good with that, so long as something has developed in his place. This is what Speaks and Kpasso and whomever they take in this draft are for.
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I'm good with that, so long as something has developed in his place. This is what Speaks and Kpasso and whomever they take in this draft are for.
That's pretty much what you've gotta do.

The fact that neither of those two guys looks worth a shit is troubling.
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That's pretty much what you've gotta do.

The fact that neither of those two guys looks worth a shit is troubling.
Speaks didn't look horrible when he had his hand in the dirt last season.
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Speaks didn't look horrible when he had his hand in the dirt last season.
If not looking horrible is what we're shooting for, sure.
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Not okay to judge anything based on one game but okay to judge a player's career based on one anomalous season. I love Chiefsplanet.
Discounting the fact that he had two double digit seasons is a disigneous argument.

And yeah, two double digit sack seasons is easier to judge than a single game.



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Yeah, so let's give all of our cap money to a DE that had zero sacks in that game and did nothing to help out said secondary. That should change everything.
"All of our cap"

Aaron Donald and Suh had zero sacks against Tom Brady. Should the Rams not have paid them?

Joey Bosa and Melvin Ingram had zero sacks against Tom Brady. They suck too? Mistake to pay them?

Hella weak argument.

The Chiefs tagged him knowing they very well may keep him. What happened to trusting the coaches?
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