Eric Berry Thread

[saphojunkie]

Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Hate

I'm stymied at why he didn't begin the investigative process at the end of the 2017 season or well before. If he had found out in say, late fall of 2017 that he did or did not need surgery at that time, it would have allowed all parties to formulate a better plan for 2018.
This whole thing has been handled very strangely.



I'm thinking the painkillers ARE "the spirit" at this point.

I think the reality is that Berry got sideways with the coaching staff or organization somewhere, and it's been kept somewhat under wraps. It's the only thing that makes sense. His contract and personal situation makes him a player somewhat impervious to public scrutiny, so the coaching staff didn't really call him out...

Except they did. Subtly, but it happened. Reid talking about doctors agreeing and saying Berry would play "if he FELT ready" which all indicates to me that team doctors cleared him, and Berry's doctors didn't.

I wonder if this all goes back to Houston's knee, actually? As fans, which we bitched about shitty knee procedures on Tamba and Houston (and Jamaal?) maybe there was a feeling among the defenders that the Chiefs medical/training staff were ****ing up players' careers.

Holy shit, as I'm typing this, I think I am convincing myself that is absolutely, 100% the only logical explanation.

Houston, Berry watched theirs and others' knees get ****ed up and not properly cared for by team doctors. They bitch about Rick Burkholder, which is why Andy Reid publicly defends him. It's also why I know his ****ing name. There has been drama playing out behind the scenes between the players and coaching staff, with the MEDICAL STAFF as the point of contention between them.

If the Chiefs turn over their medical staff, then I think you see Berry and Houston back in uniform this fall and playing at a high level. If Reid/Veach choose their staff over the players, then both guys will be sent packing.

I'M A CONSPIRACY GENIUS. BOOK IT.

[TEX]

Originally Posted by saphojunkie

I think the reality is that Berry got sideways with the coaching staff or organization somewhere, and it's been kept somewhat under wraps. It's the only thing that makes sense. His contract and personal situation makes him a player somewhat impervious to public scrutiny, so the coaching staff didn't really call him out...

Except they did. Subtly, but it happened. Reid talking about doctors agreeing and saying Berry would play "if he FELT ready" which all indicates to me that team doctors cleared him, and Berry's doctors didn't.

I wonder if this all goes back to Houston's knee, actually? As fans, which we bitched about shitty knee procedures on Tamba and Houston (and Jamaal?) maybe there was a feeling among the defenders that the Chiefs medical/training staff were ****ing up players' careers.

Holy shit, as I'm typing this, I think I am convincing myself that is absolutely, 100% the only logical explanation.

Houston, Berry watched theirs and others' knees get ****ed up and not properly cared for by team doctors. They bitch about Rick Burkholder, which is why Andy Reid publicly defends him. It's also why I know his ****ing name. There has been drama playing out behind the scenes between the players and coaching staff, with the MEDICAL STAFF as the point of contention between them.

If the Chiefs turn over their medical staff, then I think you see Berry and Houston back in uniform this fall and playing at a high level. If Reid/Veach choose their staff over the players, then both guys will be sent packing.

I'M A CONSPIRACY GENIUS. BOOK IT.

You put way too much thought into this. Let me simplify... It doesnt matter how or why we got here, the fact is we are here now. Berry is done and needs to be cut. Period. If Houston wont restructure and cant be traded, then he needs to go too. Both contracts are terrible for KC. Both players are not worh the $$$ and have not contributed to the level at which they have been paid. There is no reason to continue to over pay for their services. The saved $$$ can be better spent elsewhere. The end.

[saphojunkie]

Originally Posted by TEX

You put way too much thought into this. Let me simplify... It doesnt matter how or why we got here, the fact is we are here now. Berry is done and needs to be cut. Period. If Houston wont restructure and cant be traded, then he needs to go too. Both contracts are terrible for KC. Both players are not worh the $$$ and have not contributed to the level at which they have been paid. There is no reason to continue to over pay for their services. The saved $$$ can be better spent elsewhere. The end.

You're talking process story and I'm talking policy story.

[TEX]

Originally Posted by saphojunkie

You're talking process story and I'm talking policy story.

Gotcha.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by saphojunkie

I think the reality is that Berry got sideways with the coaching staff or organization somewhere, and it's been kept somewhat under wraps. It's the only thing that makes sense. His contract and personal situation makes him a player somewhat impervious to public scrutiny, so the coaching staff didn't really call him out...

Except they did. Subtly, but it happened. Reid talking about doctors agreeing and saying Berry would play "if he FELT ready" which all indicates to me that team doctors cleared him, and Berry's doctors didn't.

I wonder if this all goes back to Houston's knee, actually? As fans, which we bitched about shitty knee procedures on Tamba and Houston (and Jamaal?) maybe there was a feeling among the defenders that the Chiefs medical/training staff were ****ing up players' careers.

Holy shit, as I'm typing this, I think I am convincing myself that is absolutely, 100% the only logical explanation.

Houston, Berry watched theirs and others' knees get ****ed up and not properly cared for by team doctors. They bitch about Rick Burkholder, which is why Andy Reid publicly defends him. It's also why I know his ****ing name. There has been drama playing out behind the scenes between the players and coaching staff, with the MEDICAL STAFF as the point of contention between them.

If the Chiefs turn over their medical staff, then I think you see Berry and Houston back in uniform this fall and playing at a high level. If Reid/Veach choose their staff over the players, then both guys will be sent packing.

I'M A CONSPIRACY GENIUS. BOOK IT.

Is Burkholder the top team Doc? Which player bitched about him?

Even if all this is true, it still doesn't make any sense as to why Berry wouldn't consult a specialist regarding his condition back in fall 2017, ESPECIALLY if he didn't trust the on-site medical staff.

I do recall a lot of people here complaining about the team doctors and how they seemed like quacks who couldn't keep players off the bench though. I also recall that a lot of people ran to their defense as well.

[saphojunkie]

Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Hate

Is Burkholder the top team Doc? Which player bitched about him?

yes

Even if all this is true, it still doesn't make any sense as to why Berry wouldn't consult a specialist regarding his condition back in fall 2017, ESPECIALLY if he didn't trust the on-site medical staff.

He did

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by saphojunkie

I think the reality is that Berry got sideways with the coaching staff or organization somewhere, and it's been kept somewhat under wraps. It's the only thing that makes sense. His contract and personal situation makes him a player somewhat impervious to public scrutiny, so the coaching staff didn't really call him out...

Except they did. Subtly, but it happened. Reid talking about doctors agreeing and saying Berry would play "if he FELT ready" which all indicates to me that team doctors cleared him, and Berry's doctors didn't.

I wonder if this all goes back to Houston's knee, actually? As fans, which we bitched about shitty knee procedures on Tamba and Houston (and Jamaal?) maybe there was a feeling among the defenders that the Chiefs medical/training staff were ****ing up players' careers.

Holy shit, as I'm typing this, I think I am convincing myself that is absolutely, 100% the only logical explanation.

Houston, Berry watched theirs and others' knees get ****ed up and not properly cared for by team doctors. They bitch about Rick Burkholder, which is why Andy Reid publicly defends him. It's also why I know his ****ing name. There has been drama playing out behind the scenes between the players and coaching staff, with the MEDICAL STAFF as the point of contention between them.

If the Chiefs turn over their medical staff, then I think you see Berry and Houston back in uniform this fall and playing at a high level. If Reid/Veach choose their staff over the players, then both guys will be sent packing.

I'M A CONSPIRACY GENIUS. BOOK IT.

I think the part that gets me is that Reid was asked a few times during the season. Then asked about the pitch count. Reid is the king of coach speak. He seemed a little confused and almost a little ticked. I don't think it's a love hate thing. I think berry is a little off right now.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I think the part that gets me is that Reid was asked a few times during the season. Then asked about the pitch count. Reid is the king of coach speak. He seemed a little confused and almost a little ticked. I don't think it's a love hate thing. I think berry is a little off right now.

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Originally Posted by saphojunkie

I think the reality is that Berry got sideways with the coaching staff or organization somewhere, and it's been kept somewhat under wraps. It's the only thing that makes sense. His contract and personal situation makes him a player somewhat impervious to public scrutiny, so the coaching staff didn't really call him out...

Except they did. Subtly, but it happened. Reid talking about doctors agreeing and saying Berry would play "if he FELT ready" which all indicates to me that team doctors cleared him, and Berry's doctors didn't.

I wonder if this all goes back to Houston's knee, actually? As fans, which we bitched about shitty knee procedures on Tamba and Houston (and Jamaal?) maybe there was a feeling among the defenders that the Chiefs medical/training staff were ****ing up players' careers.

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I'M A CONSPIRACY GENIUS. BOOK IT.

I'm inclined to almost agree with this take. Almost. Maybe. Nearly there.

However, if we add in a couple of solid alien abductions and a Bigfeets sighting, I'm all in, baby.

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