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Old 07-17-2019, 10:02 AM   #1
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I'm taking a wait and see stance...Conely had crazy combine numbers that never really translated.

If he cant make it work with Mahomes, Kelce, Watkins, Hill and Reid....he's just going to be another name heaped into the "blazing fast athlete" scrap pile.

If he DOES pan out out...look the **** out.

I do think he was a weird pick...considering how Pringle looked before getting injured. I understand that he is being groomed for Watkins financial replacement...but wasn't really a crucial get.

Chiefs needed defensive help...especially DBs.
A lot of Conley's numbers were excellent but the one that stood out was the one that doomed him - dude's 3-cone time was abysmal.

And you saw it in his route running from day 1 here. He simply couldn't get in and out of his breaks well enough to be a difference maker.

Hardman appears to have better feet though I don't think he ran the 3-cone. That alone will make his ceiling in this offense significantly higher than Conley's.

I still think he was a reach, but Andy's the best in the business at scheming guys into space and if you can give this kid a little running room before he gets the ball, it's a big play waiting to happen.
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Old 07-17-2019, 10:05 AM   #2
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I still think he was a reach, but Andy's the best in the business at scheming guys into space and if you can give this kid a little running room before he gets the ball, it's a big play waiting to happen.
After wataching Hardman several times it began to stick out to me that he's a much stronger, compact runner than his build suggests.

My initial impression just looking at him was Desean Jackson. But this guy is built stronger than Desean and can probably take a bit more punishment. He runs strong for his frame.
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Old 07-17-2019, 10:08 AM   #3
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A lot of Conley's numbers were excellent but the one that stood out was the one that doomed him - dude's 3-cone time was abysmal.

And you saw it in his route running from day 1 here. He simply couldn't get in and out of his breaks well enough to be a difference maker.

Hardman appears to have better feet though I don't think he ran the 3-cone. That alone will make his ceiling in this offense significantly higher than Conley's.

I still think he was a reach, but Andy's the best in the business at scheming guys into space and if you can give this kid a little running room before he gets the ball, it's a big play waiting to happen.
I don’t know why. There were a lot of rumblings as it got closer to the draft that he wasn’t making it out the 2nd round.
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Old 07-17-2019, 10:17 AM   #4
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I don’t know why. There were a lot of rumblings as it got closer to the draft that he wasn’t making it out the 2nd round.
Because the WR board was still extremely strong at that point in the draft so I don't think they had to go up to get him or would've lost much by not taking him.

Arcega-Whiteside, Campbell, Isabella, McLaurin and a few other similarly situated guys were all still on the board. And yes, Hardman's faster than all of them, but he's also a lot more raw.

Like I said - if he's a 35 catch, 600 yard kind of player for us, that's a fine 2nd rounder. I won't complain about the long-term production of the pick at that point. I just think there were some safer guys to take there if you're committed to WR and some flat out more critical needs to deal with if you weren't.

I sure hope they're right about TE2 man - I think Sternberger and Oliver as a high-use TE2 could've added some serious wrinkles to this offense and been a better use of that pick. But time will tell...
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A lot of Conley's numbers were excellent but the one that stood out was the one that doomed him - dude's 3-cone time was abysmal.

And you saw it in his route running from day 1 here. He simply couldn't get in and out of his breaks well enough to be a difference maker.

Hardman appears to have better feet though I don't think he ran the 3-cone. That alone will make his ceiling in this offense significantly higher than Conley's.

I still think he was a reach, but Andy's the best in the business at scheming guys into space and if you can give this kid a little running room before he gets the ball, it's a big play waiting to happen.

I at first wanted Parris Campbell. People mentioned Hardman and I read that he had "weak" hands and was like NEXT.

Then I watched some film on him. The thing that absolutely leaps off the page, to use a totally wrong metaphor, is that in his breaks he has that rare ability that it looks like he actually gains speed. He doesn't slow at all making cuts. That's something DK Metcalf and Parris can't do.

I think that's why Reid and Veach like him. He has that DeSean Jackson breakaway speed after one cut, you see him leave guys in the dust trying to keep up with those cuts.

And then as far as his hands being weak he hasn't played wide receiver that long. I imagine he has done about a thousand pass catching drills since that was written two years ago.
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