Lucas Niang Injury Update Please!

[notorious]

What is the word on Niang? We can't have current substiturd fill in for him very long. He's terrible.

On Williams run, Lucas Niang knocked his defender to the ground. Trey Smith's defender pushed him into the ground and most of Smith's weight fell on Niang's left arm. #Chiefs pic.twitter.com/M0NxbeRjYO

— Nick Jacobs (@Jacobs71) November 7, 2021

https://twitter.com/Jacobs71/status/...rs-with-injury

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Wisconsin_Chief

I don't know what more it's going to take.

Injury. That's the only way they're getting on the field.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by kccrow

I think there is a certain aspect to that in the offseason, but I'm not so sure when it comes to in-season changes.

For instance, he did start a rookie in Smith over LDT coming back last season and it's not like LDT was a slouch.

But... in season? We don't have a lot to work off of there. You look at how long they stuck with terrible players, especially on defense, and you scratch your head and wonder if its the same offensively.

I'm not saying that Andy's loyalty is not an issue. It's just not THE issue, not in this case.

[Wisconsin_Chief]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

They watch these guys practice every day. There's a lot more to this than just blind loyalty.

As I said in another response, if both those guys are actually worse than Wylie in practice they shouldn't even be on the team or even on an NFL roster. There's simply no way that's the case. We've seen Wylie get his ass handed to him all over the field at every position he's played for years now, and Reid keeps putting him out there.

Hell, almost getting Mahomes killed in the Super Bowl should have been the end of his time here. Yet here he is, continuing to suck ass and almost get Mahomes killed on a weekly basis. It makes zero sense.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

I'm not saying that Andy's loyalty is not an issue. It's just not THE issue, not in this case.

I respectfully disagree 100% on this one and that's simply having watched Christian in the past and wanting KC to sign him for a couple of years. I think Christian is more than marginally better than Wylie.


If there's any argument that might be had, I firmly believe it's that Christian didn't have the playbook down early enough. At this point, I think it's 100% Andy wanting to maintain cohesiveness on the line.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Wisconsin_Chief

As I said in another response, if both those guys are actually worse than Wylie in practice they shouldn't even be on the team or even on an NFL roster. There's simply no way that's the case. We've seen Wylie get his ass handed to him all over the field at every position he's played for years now, and Reid keeps putting him out there.

Hell, almost getting Mahomes killed in the Super Bowl should have been the end of his time here. Yet here he is, continuing to suck ass and almost get Mahomes killed on a weekly basis. It makes zero sense.

Almost getting Mahomes killed.

As opposed to him actually getting killed.

Is it really that hard to believe that there's things about Christian and Prince that the Chiefs don't like and don't want to trot out there unless they have to?

By the way, if Niang is indeed healthy, Wylie's time is almost up anyway.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by kccrow

I respectfully disagree 100% on this one and that's simply having watched Christian in the past and wanting KC to sign him for a couple of years. I think Christian is more than marginally better than Wylie.

If there's any argument that might be had, I firmly believe it's that Christian didn't have the playbook down early enough. At this point, I think it's 100% Andy wanting to maintain cohesiveness on the line.

During the season, don't you think that's kind of prudent?

I mean the guy has been to multiple Super Bowls with 2 different teams but he evidently is a dumbass when it comes to offensive linemen.

[htismaqe]

You know, it's also possible the Chiefs simply do not see them as right tackles.

Would you start either of them over OBJ, halfway through a contending season?

[Wisconsin_Chief]

Originally Posted by kccrow

I respectfully disagree 100% on this one and that's simply having watched Christian in the past and wanting KC to sign him for a couple of years. I think Christian is more than marginally better than Wylie.


If there's any argument that might be had, I firmly believe it's that Christian didn't have the playbook down early enough. At this point, I think it's 100% Andy wanting to maintain cohesiveness on the line.

100% agreed, I've seen Christian play on multiple occasions and was very impressed as well. When they signed him this offseason I thought he was a lock to be the starting RT.

Never thought for a second I'd have to see Wylie bumbling around in there again. Just so tired of that dude, he has done nothing to deserve even being on this team at this point. Andy clearly has one of his soft spots for him and that's the only reason he's still here.

[Wisconsin_Chief]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

During the season, don't you think that's kind of prudent?

I mean the guy has been to multiple Super Bowls with 2 different teams but he evidently is a dumbass when it comes to offensive linemen.

Obviously not a dumbass, but certainly has flaws.

I've said time and again I will gladly accept them, but it doesn't make it any easier in cases like this.

He can do whatever he wants, obviously. This one just doesn't seem to make a lick of sense from the outside looking in. I mean the guy is just garbage. If he wasn't on this team, I honestly think he'd be out of the league.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Wisconsin_Chief

Obviously not a dumbass, but certainly has flaws.

I've said time and again I will gladly accept them, but it doesn't make it any easier in cases like this.

He can do whatever he wants, obviously. This one just doesn't seem to make a lick of sense from the outside looking in. I mean the guy is just garbage. If he wasn't on this team, I honestly think he'd be out of the league.

He's the backup. Niang was the starter before he got hurt. Wylie wouldn't be playing otherwise.

And like I said previously, it's entirely possible that they view Christian as a left tackle and only a left tackle. That's simple roster construction 101 and has nothing to do with loyalty.

Again, I have no problem with criticizing Andy's loyalty at times. It's warranted.

It's when people act like it's BLIND loyalty that I take exception. Andy Reid and his staff have multiple rings. Andy himself is a HOFer, a top 3 coach in the league, and a top 10 coach in NFL history. He's not blind in any way, shape, or form.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

During the season, don't you think that's kind of prudent?

I mean the guy has been to multiple Super Bowls with 2 different teams but he evidently is a dumbass when it comes to offensive linemen.

I never said that, so don't be an ass about it.

And why quote only winning? After all, he's lost more when the chips are down in big games than he's won. If I recall correctly his combined Championship and Super Bowl record is 4-6. At least he got there, and my argument isn't really about that anyhow.

I'm saying he has shown clear reluctance to bench underachieving players in the name of cohesiveness. That cohesion is important, no doubt, I played OL. I'd argue that communication is as important as talent.

I just think it's reaching a point where he seriously needs to reconsider based on how badly Wylie has performed. In my eyes, there is a clear difference in the talent each Wylie and Christian have displayed in their careers. If Andy doesn't want to make the change because he thinks it's best, then that's what they'll do even if I don't support it as strongly as I support Matt Araiza.

With that, my lack of support doesn't mean I don't think KC can win with it. They clearly can win games with the current setup. Wylie though has been functioning at a level I'd consider dangerous for Mahomes.

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Originally Posted by Wisconsin_Chief

Obviously not a dumbass, but certainly has flaws.

I've said time and again I will gladly accept them, but it doesn't make it any easier in cases like this.

He can do whatever he wants, obviously. This one just doesn't seem to make a lick of sense from the outside looking in. I mean the guy is just garbage. If he wasn't on this team, I honestly think he'd be out of the league.

I don't know why we as fans think we know more about player evaluation from watching a couple of games than the guys who get to see them every day. I'm guilty of it too. We firmly believe that every move Andy makes needs to make sense to us when in reality it just doesn't matter if we get it or not.

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Originally Posted by kccrow

I never said that, so don't be an ass about it.

And why quote only winning? After all, he's lost more when the chips are down in big games than he's won. If I recall correctly his combined Championship and Super Bowl record is 4-6. At least he got there, and my argument isn't really about that anyhow.

I'm saying he has shown clear reluctance to bench underachieving players in the name of cohesiveness. That cohesion is important, no doubt, I played OL. I'd argue that communication is as important as talent.

I just think it's reaching a point where he seriously needs to reconsider based on how badly Wylie has performed. In my eyes, there is a clear difference in the talent each Wylie and Christian have displayed in their careers. If Andy doesn't want to make the change because he thinks it's best, then that's what they'll do even if I don't support it as strongly as I support Matt Araiza.

With that, my lack of support doesn't mean I don't think KC can win with it. They clearly can win games with the current setup. Wylie though has been functioning at a level I'd consider dangerous for Mahomes.

Again, what if they think Christian is strictly a left tackle? I get that people want to replace Wylie but maybe stop and think that Wylie is actually our BACKUP RT.

If you played offensive line, then you know that moving from left to right, or vice versa isn't just set it and forget it.

[Wisconsin_Chief]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

He's not blind in any way, shape, or form.

This is where I'll have to disagree. Remember that time in Philly he tried to give his o-line coach the defensive coordinator position?

He's loyal to fault with some people, and seems to develop certain connections in some cases that cloud his judgement at times. That's all I'm saying. I don't know for sure that's the case with Wylie, but it just seems like it could be.

Anyway, I get your point. I'm certainly not going to sit here and pretend I have a clue what's going on, it's all hearsay. If we keep winning and Mahomes stays healthy, it won't be an issue. I just hope they actually give Niang a shot once he's healthy.

[mabbott]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Um...according to what?

Because PFF shows:

64.6 overall, 59.1 pass blocking and 70.0 run blocking for Niang in 2021. Over 524 offensive snaps.

Something don't wash there.

The wording I took was from a google search and it was to his draft profile.

In other words, I failed to read the tab that the quote was from... my apologies.