What's going on in Cincinnati?

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

KC is 1-3 vs. CIN last I checked. CIN has outscored KC something like 20-6 in the 4th quarter over the last 3 games. Those are facts. And let's not forget that CIN was down 3/5 starting OLs in the last one. So let's not pretend that KC just dominated the last AFCCG.

I'll keep saying it. CIN has been able to stall the KC offense repeatedly, and the lack of talent in the WR group has been glaring in the last two matchups. The KC defense has done its job over the last three games vs. CIN, but the offense hasn't been able to even score to their season average.

And right now, we have one returning WR that we can probably depend on in MVS, and the rest of the room is pretty much wishful thinking.

We HOPE Toney can stay healthy, and then we HOPE he can perform reliably for a season.

We HOPE Skyy can triple his production and score more than zero TDs.

We HOPE Justyn and John can do anything in the regular season. Anything would be better than zero.

We HOPE McKinnon returns and performs at about the same level.

We HOPE Justin Watson returns and at least gives us the same level of production.

We HOPE whoever we draft can produce at least as well as Hardman did in his first season.




But right now, the Chiefs WR room is far less talented than it was in 2022, that can't be argued. And no real answers either in the TE or the RB rooms at the moment. Just more hopes, except for Pacheco.

CIN doesn't have to hope. They don't even need their defense to perform at the same level as they did in 2022. They need to simply be a little more efficient on offense, play average on defense, and they'll be able to notch another W.

From their perspective, I don't know what else they'd be thinking. They have the upper hand, and the stats as well as the results to prove it. If their OTs had been healthy, chances are CIN goes to the SB. If I were their FO/ownership that's what I'd be thinking.

You forgot something.

CIN lost two of their best players on defense in safeties Vonn Bell and Jessie Bates III. They are hoping last year's first-round pick of Dax Hill can effectively replace an All-Pro after playing in 2 games last year and that they can get a rookie to play at a Pro Bowl level to replace the other. That's a tall task in a secondary that otherwise sucks.

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by kccrow

You forgot something.

CIN lost two of their best players on defense in safeties Vonn Bell and Jessie Bates III. They are hoping last year's first-round pick of Dax Hill can effectively replace an All-Pro after playing in 2 games last year and that they can get a rookie to play at a Pro Bowl level to replace the other. That's a tall task in a secondary that otherwise sucks.

I didn't forget; I'm not sure it's going to be meaningful. Sure, those are two very good safeties. But what if all we bring to the game is MVS, Toney, Skyy and a rookie? Which Chiefs receiver can we depend on to make them pay for letting those guys go? Which would you be willing to bet real money on? Or are you among those that believe that KC can beat CIN with the likes of Marcus Kemp starting? We're just that good? Or is CIN just really not very good, and we shouldn't be concerned about the state of the WR room?

I'm not being negative; I'm trying to be realistic. I'm a little surprised that I'm one of the few.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

I didn't forget; I'm not sure it's going to be meaningful. Sure, those are two very good safeties. But what if all we bring to the game is MVS, Toney, Skyy and a rookie? Which Chiefs receiver can we depend on to make them pay for letting those guys go? Which would you be willing to bet real money on? Or are you among those that believe that KC can beat CIN with the likes of Marcus Kemp starting? We're just that good? Or is CIN just really not very good, and we shouldn't be concerned about the state of the WR room?

I'm not being negative; I'm trying to be realistic. I'm a little surprised that I'm one of the few.

What I'm trying to relay is that Cincinnati took a huge hit to be able to defend our passing game. Losing those two guys cannot be underscored enough times. They were the best pair of safeties in the NFL.

So, for all the worries about our WRs getting open against them, they have all the worries about defending those WRs. We're both going to be young there and whoever gets the breakout guys is probably going to the SB again.

Let's hope its us. They have a 1st rounder in Dax they are banking on. We have a 1st rounder Toney we are banking on. It's going to be interesting.

Plus, Veach likely adds a couple of guys to the roster via the draft. With as many picks as we had, I'd pretty well take it to the bank.

I'm not as worried about replacing what JuJu provided as I am replacing what McKinnon provided at this point.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by kccrow

What I'm trying to relay is that Cincinnati took a huge hit to be able to defend our passing game. Losing those two guys cannot be underscored enough times. They were the best pair of safeties in the NFL.

So, for all the worries about our WRs getting open against them, they have all the worries about defending those WRs. We're both going to be young there and whoever gets the breakout guys is probably going to the SB again.

Let's hope its us. They have a 1st rounder in Dax they are banking on. We have a 1st rounder Toney we are banking on. It's going to be interesting.

Plus, Veach likely adds a couple of guys to the roster via the draft. With as many picks as we had, I'd pretty well take it to the bank.

I'm not as worried about replacing what JuJu provided as I am replacing what McKinnon provided at this point.

Pretty easy to just re-sign Mckinnon. He and Pacheco make a great pair.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

Pretty easy to just re-sign Mckinnon. He and Pacheco make a great pair.

I'm hoping so and really question why that isn't done yet. It's significant passing game production.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by kccrow

I'm hoping so and really question why that isn't done yet. It's significant passing game production.

I'm sure they've been in contact. I mean, it just makes no sense for him to do anything else. Nobody's going to pay him, he's been here, he's won a ring, he's in the twilight of his career and this team gave him a shot when nobody else did. Using him the way we do extends his career, and he gets to win.

I'm sure they told him to sit tight, take the money if someone offers it, but they'll circle back and grab him after the Jones extension.

I could be wrong, but I just seriously doubt it.

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

I'm sure they've been in contact. I mean, it just makes no sense for him to do anything else. Nobody's going to pay him, he's been here, he's won a ring, he's in the twilight of his career and this team gave him a shot when nobody else did. Using him the way we do extends his career, and he gets to win.

I'm sure they told him to sit tight, take the money if someone offers it, but they'll circle back and grab him after the Jones extension.

I could be wrong, but I just seriously doubt it.

Not to argue, but we both thought exactly the same things about both JJSS and Hardman.

Just the fact we haven't heard a single damned thing about McKinnon makes me uneasy. Especially because in the middle of the season, when JuJu suddenly just disappeared because everyone figured out he couldn't beat man, Jerrick became our other receiver, accounting for more than 500 yards receiving and 10 TDs.

Not that I'd expect him to come back and do quite as well, but 75% of that would probably make things a lot easier.

[Direckshun]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

I'm sure they've been in contact. I mean, it just makes no sense for him to do anything else. Nobody's going to pay him, he's been here, he's won a ring, he's in the twilight of his career and this team gave him a shot when nobody else did. Using him the way we do extends his career, and he gets to win.

I'm sure they told him to sit tight, take the money if someone offers it, but they'll circle back and grab him after the Jones extension.

I could be wrong, but I just seriously doubt it.

Commanders

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by kccrow

I'm hoping so and really question why that isn't done yet. It's significant passing game production.

It isn't done yet because McKinnon is at the point in his career where he probably won't sign until after June cuts.

[Skyy God]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

It isn't done yet because McKinnon is at the point in his career where he probably won't sign until after June cuts.

Wouldn’t be surprised if Jet and JWat have handshake deals to sign after the draft.

Maximize our comp picks.

[tredadda]

Originally Posted by kccrow

I'm hoping so and really question why that isn't done yet. It's significant passing game production.

Plus his pass blocking is severely underrated.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

I didn't forget; I'm not sure it's going to be meaningful. Sure, those are two very good safeties. But what if all we bring to the game is MVS, Toney, Skyy and a rookie? Which Chiefs receiver can we depend on to make them pay for letting those guys go? Which would you be willing to bet real money on? Or are you among those that believe that KC can beat CIN with the likes of Marcus Kemp starting? We're just that good? Or is CIN just really not very good, and we shouldn't be concerned about the state of the WR room?

I'm not being negative; I'm trying to be realistic. I'm a little surprised that I'm one of the few.

Well, we beat them with MVS going 6/116 and a TD with Marcus Kemp lining up on the other side, and that's WITH the two excellent safeties and Mahomes on one leg.

So no, I don't think you are being particularly realistic.

I was REALLY nervous, dejected even, when we got down to MVS, Moore, and ****ing Kemp. I figured-that's it. We just don't have enough horses here, and with Mahomes on one leg, it's not enough.

I was wrong.

[DRM08]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

Well, we beat them with MVS going 6/116 and a TD with Marcus Kemp lining up on the other side, and that's WITH the two excellent safeties and Mahomes on one leg.

So no, I don't think you are being particularly realistic.

I was REALLY nervous, dejected even, when we got down to MVS, Moore, and ****ing Kemp. I figured-that's it. We just don't have enough horses here, and with Mahomes on one leg, it's not enough.

I was wrong.

Plus Kelce was struggling with a back problem in that game too. The receiver group was utterly devastated with injury problems. They still moved the ball pretty dang well on a very good defense, even with Mahomes & Kelce nowhere close to 100%.

Cincy even got an absolute gift of a flukey turnover on the Mahomes fumble. Their defense did nothing to cause that shit, the ball just slipped out of his hand. If anything, his ankle problem helped the Bengals recover it because Patrick couldn't run like he normally does.

[PAChiefsGuy]

Never knew Megatron96 was a closet Bengals fan

[Titty Meat]

If they don't have o-line issues they are still a formidable opponent I know everyone has been saying the Jaguars are up next to challenge the Chiefs at the Arrowhead Invitational but I'm not seeing it. I still think it's the Bengals.