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Old 09-02-2023, 09:51 PM   #1
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Old 09-03-2023, 02:41 PM   #2
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Given recent Disney history (last 2 Star Wars movies, Indiana Jones 5, Captain Marvel, endless list) and Amazon LOTR I am on high alert for annoying Mary Sue bullshit with annoying “overly strong and flawless female characters that could defeat any male in any kind of combat, etc.”

Even though it is a chick-fest, I think the show is pretty well done and I’m enjoying it.
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Old 09-03-2023, 05:38 PM   #3
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Given recent Disney history (last 2 Star Wars movies, Indiana Jones 5, Captain Marvel, endless list) and Amazon LOTR I am on high alert for annoying Mary Sue bullshit with annoying “overly strong and flawless female characters that could defeat any male in any kind of combat, etc.”

Even though it is a chick-fest, I think the show is pretty well done and I’m enjoying it.
But all of these female characters have flaws, and none of them show any tendencies of the Mary Sue (which is a common thing with Filoni... he, for the large part, does a good job avoiding tropes).

Ahsoka- She's impatient and has exacting standards. She's difficult to get along with and has issues with trusting others.

Sabine - She's headstrong and has a reckless streak. The Force is HARD for her.

Hera - She's a badass (more on this momentarily) woman of action, but it frustrated by the bureacracy that is "in her way" as she tries to deal with threats.

It's a pleasant change and, I think, a great example of how to do "strong lead who happens to be a female" without it being over the top.

Now, back to Hera. Mary Elizabeth Winstead. Snaps for you, and that wonderful, wonderful posterior. I see you, girl. I see you. It is a "bad" ass, indeed.
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Old 09-03-2023, 08:37 PM   #4
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But all of these female characters have flaws, and none of them show any tendencies of the Mary Sue (which is a common thing with Filoni... he, for the large part, does a good job avoiding tropes).

Ahsoka- She's impatient and has exacting standards. She's difficult to get along with and has issues with trusting others.

Sabine - She's headstrong and has a reckless streak. The Force is HARD for her.

Hera - She's a badass (more on this momentarily) woman of action, but it frustrated by the bureacracy that is "in her way" as she tries to deal with threats.

It's a pleasant change and, I think, a great example of how to do "strong lead who happens to be a female" without it being over the top.

Now, back to Hera. Mary Elizabeth Winstead. Snaps for you, and that wonderful, wonderful posterior. I see you, girl. I see you. It is a "bad" ass, indeed.
I agree with all this, especially the part of Winstead's remarkable ass, but still... the only male characters are the main villain and an uppity droid. Oh well. I'm enjoying it. They're like a bunch of Ripleys, not a bunch of Burnhams.
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Old 09-04-2023, 10:20 AM   #5
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I agree with all this, especially the part of Winstead's remarkable ass, but still... the only male characters are the main villain and an uppity droid. Oh well. I'm enjoying it. They're like a bunch of Ripleys, not a bunch of Burnhams.

Well, let’s review male characters that are associated with Hera, Ashoka, and Sabine:

1. Ezra Bridger: Missing in Action, with Thrawn

2. Kanan Jarrus: Dead

3. Anakin Skywalker: Dead

4. Captain Rex: Likely dead

5. Luke Skywalker: Busy failing at raising the next generation of Jedi

6. The Mandalorian: Busy doing Mando things

Any new male protagonist would be a forced-in, add-on to the story.
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But all of these female characters have flaws, and none of them show any tendencies of the Mary Sue (which is a common thing with Filoni... he, for the large part, does a good job avoiding tropes).

Ahsoka- She's impatient and has exacting standards. She's difficult to get along with and has issues with trusting others.

Sabine - She's headstrong and has a reckless streak. The Force is HARD for her.

Hera - She's a badass (more on this momentarily) woman of action, but it frustrated by the bureacracy that is "in her way" as she tries to deal with threats.

It's a pleasant change and, I think, a great example of how to do "strong lead who happens to be a female" without it being over the top.

Now, back to Hera. Mary Elizabeth Winstead. Snaps for you, and that wonderful, wonderful posterior. I see you, girl. I see you. It is a "bad" ass, indeed.
It's space fiction. The force can be used by someone other than Macho Alpha males. I don't see any "woke" and they all have flaws as you point out very well. Everyone should be able to enjoy this show on its merits.
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But all of these female characters have flaws, and none of them show any tendencies of the Mary Sue (which is a common thing with Filoni... he, for the large part, does a good job avoiding tropes).

Ahsoka- She's impatient and has exacting standards. She's difficult to get along with and has issues with trusting others.

Sabine - She's headstrong and has a reckless streak. The Force is HARD for her.

Hera - She's a badass (more on this momentarily) woman of action, but it frustrated by the bureacracy that is "in her way" as she tries to deal with threats.

It's a pleasant change and, I think, a great example of how to do "strong lead who happens to be a female" without it being over the top.

Now, back to Hera. Mary Elizabeth Winstead. Snaps for you, and that wonderful, wonderful posterior. I see you, girl. I see you. It is a "bad" ass, indeed.
I have no problem with the female aspects here. In fact I hadn’t even noticed. I mean Baylon is pretty awesome, and I have no problem with dude bureaucrats being schlubs.

It all feels reasonable.

And yes. MEW has a very very spectacular ass.
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