Chiefs tagging Trey Smith

[-King-]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

Well, that's what free agency IS.

You absolutely overpay, especially at premium positions, for NFL proven experience.

It's the cost of winning. We haven't been anywhere within striking distance of a true top tier LT to draft in almost a decade. When we WERE, we had a #1 overall manning the position.

What about non-premium positions? Asking for a friend.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by -King-

What about non-premium positions? Asking for a friend.

Might be a non-premium position, but he was the best player in the entire group of free agents. So there's that.

[-King-]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Might be a non-premium position, but he was the best player in the entire group of free agents. So there's that.

So rule of thumb: premium or non premium position, just over pay them. Got it.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by -King-

So rule of thumb: premium or non premium position, just over pay them. Got it.

Yup, that's my point! You're such a disingenuous bundle of sticks it's impossible to have a discussion with you.

He might not play a premium position, but he was THE premium player of this free agency class. You can not like it while at least acknowledging that. But when you want to make it sound like the dumbest move evarrr there's no room for nuance.

[Shields68]

Originally Posted by -King-

So rule of thumb: premium or non premium position, just over pay them. Got it.

The goal is always to put the best team on the field possible. So if you have a few premium positions on cheap deals, you can pay some nonpremium positions. You just need to make sure you have the money to pay Rice ,Worthy, Karloftus, and/or McDuffie when due. It is not like they have a FA this year to get in a bidding war over. Nor do they want to give a FA a massive long term deal and cut into the cap room to pay one of a young stars. At present they have not given Trey a long term deal.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by -King-

What about non-premium positions? Asking for a friend.

Remember when RB’s didn’t have much value anymore and weren’t looked at as guys you want pay?

How’d that work with Josh Jacobs, Derrick Henry or…Saquon Barkley? Did Saquon matter?

There are people who think Nick Bolton has immense value despite not being a premium position. Same with Justin Reid.

Landon Dickerson was also very important and essentially shut down Chris Jones. You think that’s not valuable because he’s a G?

Just stack as many good players as you can and keep going after positional value.

[-King-]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Remember when RB’s didn’t have much value anymore and weren’t looked at as guys you want pay?

How’d that work with Josh Jacobs, Derrick Henry or…Saquon Barkley? Did Saquon matter?

There are people who think Nick Bolton has immense value despite not being a premium position. Same with Justin Reid.

Landon Dickerson was also very important and essentially shut down Chris Jones. You think that’s not valuable because he’s a G?

Just stack as many good players as you can and keep going after positional value.

Position value relative to other positions.

And I supported Veach when he went after Josh Jacobs. Would have went after Henry too. I value RB higher than guard. Compare the contracts to what Trey is getting on the franchise tag and it's not even close. 2 years 16 mil vs 1 year 23 mil. So yeah I don't really see the point of bringing up those RBs when I think most people value an elite RB higher than an elite guard.

And if the roster was elite at damn near every position like the eagles, no one would care about this franchise tag. It's only an issue because there are other holes on the roster including a canyon at LT, and giving a guard 23mil guaranteed for this one year may impact how aggressive you can be filling those holes.

[Chief Pagan]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Remember when RB’s didn’t have much value anymore and weren’t looked at as guys you want pay?

How’d that work with Josh Jacobs, Derrick Henry or…Saquon Barkley? Did Saquon matter?

There are people who think Nick Bolton has immense value despite not being a premium position. Same with Justin Reid.

Landon Dickerson was also very important and essentially shut down Chris Jones. You think that’s not valuable because he’s a G?

Just stack as many good players as you can and keep going after positional value.

Elite healthy RBs have always mattered.

Most intelligent fans know that.

Most elite RBs have short careers and guaranteeing them big contracts is risky even by NFL standards and JAG RBs can usually be had cheap.

Saquon was a huge payoff but he's had a huge injury history as any fantasy football fan knows. Henry is a freak of nature even by NFL standards.

You listed a few RB's that bucked the trend.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by -King-

What about non-premium positions? Asking for a friend.

If you want top tier FA, you will be overpaying.

It's that simple.

You're focused on the wrong things.

You're trying to play checkers. This is chess.