Detailed analysis of Chiefs Front Seven against the Ravens.

[patteeu]

Originally Posted by tiptap

If your read from the site there is a thread discussion. The author did not include those plays that he considered neutral. The plays were just the good plays vs the bad plays that he saw from individual players. That means there were plenty of plays not represented in this count. In the thread there are discussions that the neutral count should be included.

I know, but I'd still like to see more definition of what constitutes a bad play (or a good one for that matter). It's hard to believe that the defense could do as well as they did when they had nearly twice as many bad plays by defenders as they had good ones.

[tiptap]

Originally Posted by patteeu

I know, but I'd still like to see more definition of what constitutes a bad play (or a good one for that matter). It's hard to believe that the defense could do as well as they did when they had nearly twice as many bad plays by defenders as they had good ones.

Choose Sims or Fajita, both who didn't play as much, and look at your Tivo or whatever and judge for yourself and see if your judgement is radically different. If the play goes away from the player and the player isn't involve no decision. If the play goes in their area and they make a stop of less than 3.3 yds a positive (average of running play) more and are out of position to make play negative. Passing downs who are they up against and are they successful. Look for yourself and let us know if the evidence for you is favorable or not.

[patteeu]

Originally Posted by tiptap

Choose Sims or Fajita, both who didn't play as much, and look at your Tivo or whatever and judge for yourself and see if your judgement is radically different. If the play goes away from the player and the player isn't involve no decision. If the play goes in their area and they make a stop of less than 3.3 yds a positive (average of running play) more and are out of position to make play negative. Passing downs who are they up against and are they successful. Look for yourself and let us know if the evidence for you is favorable or not.

First of all, I don't have the ability to look at it myself. I don't have TIVO and I don't record the games on video.

Second, it wouldn't be "evidence for [me]" because I'm not making a claim. I'm expressing skepticism about this guy's analysis. He might be right, I'm just unwilling to take his word for it.

[go bo]

Originally Posted by patteeu

First of all, I don't have the ability to look at it myself. I don't have TIVO and I don't record the games on video.

Second, it wouldn't be "evidence for [me]" because I'm not making a claim. I'm expressing skepticism about this guy's analysis. He might be right, I'm just unwilling to take his word for it.

why's that?

are you some kind of chiefts fan or something??

[patteeu]

Originally Posted by go bo

why's that?

are you some kind of chiefts fan or something??

You busted me!

I'm sure that has something to do with it, but it also has to do with my general impression of how the defense did when I watched the game compared to the impression I would have if I just looked at this guy's analysis.

[cdcox]

Originally Posted by tiptap

Choose Sims or Fajita, both who didn't play as much, and look at your Tivo or whatever and judge for yourself and see if your judgement is radically different. If the play goes away from the player and the player isn't involve no decision. If the play goes in their area and they make a stop of less than 3.3 yds a positive (average of running play) more and are out of position to make play negative. Passing downs who are they up against and are they successful. Look for yourself and let us know if the evidence for you is favorable or not.

Personally, I always have trouble distinguishing whether a given play goes for 3.2 yards or 3.4 yards.

[go bo]

Originally Posted by cdcox

Personally, I always have trouble distinguishing whether a given play goes for 3.2 yards or 3.4 yards.

picky, picky...

guestimate!

that's what the author of this article seems to be doing...

[cdcox]

Originally Posted by go bo

picky, picky...

guestimate!

that's what the author of this article seems to be doing...

I guess that I really don't buy into the premise that only 2 players on our DL had more than one good play in a game where we held the NFL rushing leader from last season to less than 80 yds and allowed only two sustained drives all game long (ignoring the gadget play that falls on the safeties to cover). You don't do that well on defense unless you have lots of guys making big contributions.

His numbers don't pass the "does the evaluation seem to reflect reality" test.

[patteeu]

Originally Posted by cdcox

I guess that I really don't buy into the premise that only 2 players on our DL had more than one good play in a game where we held the NFL rushing leader from last season to less than 80 yds and allowed only two sustained drives all game long (ignoring the gadget play that falls on the safeties to cover). You don't do that well on defense unless you have lots of guys making big contributions.

His numbers don't pass the "does the evaluation seem to reflect reality" test.

You said it better than I did.