Gunther planning to use 3-4 defense in likely passing downs

[ROYC75]

Originally Posted by eazyb81

If Siavii has developed enough since last year, we have the makings of a pretty dominant 3-4 group. I've always thought that we would implement some 3-4 once we signed Bell, we definately have the personnel to do it. This is good news to me!

Parker doesn't think so.......I don't either, something we do agree on.

Our DL is a big question mark....If Siavii/Sims/Dalton/Browning becomes animals, OK, I can see it. But keep inmind, we are lacking is quality DE's that are good containment and run stoppers, guys who can take on 2 blockers, same goes for the DT's.

I think we have the speed and players who can tackle in out LB's ( keeping a fingers crossed Mitchell can tackle )

I'm just not sold on the DE's and DT's for a 3-4.

[Chiefnj]

Originally Posted by ROYC75

Parker doesn't think so.......I don't either, something we do agree on.

Our DL is a big question mark....If Siavii/Sims/Dalton/Browning becomes animals, OK, I can see it. But keep inmind, we are lacking is quality DE's that are good containment and run stoppers, guys who can take on 2 blockers, same goes for the DT's.

I think we have the speed and players who can tackle in out LB's ( keeping a fingers crossed Mitchell can tackle )

I'm just not sold on the DE's and DT's for a 3-4.

They might be able to get by with Hicks - Dalton - Browning as a base line for 5-10 snaps a game. Any pressure would have to be generated from one of the LB's blitzing.

[Radar Chief]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj

They might be able to get by with Hicks - Dalton - Browning as a base line for 5-10 snaps a game. Any pressure would have to be generated from one of the LB's blitzing.

Pretty much the same goes for our base 4-3 also.

[Chiefnj]

Originally Posted by Radar Chief

Pretty much the same goes for our base 4-3 also.

Statistically the DL did pretty well #'s wise with sacks last year.

[Radar Chief]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj

Statistically the DL did pretty well #'s wise with sacks last year.

From what I remember, ‘bout the only one get’n any pressure was Allen. It seems I remember Dalton get’n some solo tackles, but the rest were amazingly unspectacular. Course this is just from memory, and considering the season we had some of my memory was foggy later that day.

[RedThat]

Originally Posted by ROYC75

Parker doesn't think so.......I don't either, something we do agree on.

Our DL is a big question mark....If Siavii/Sims/Dalton/Browning becomes animals, OK, I can see it. But keep inmind, we are lacking is quality DE's that are good containment and run stoppers, guys who can take on 2 blockers, same goes for the DT's.

I think we have the speed and players who can tackle in out LB's ( keeping a fingers crossed Mitchell can tackle )

I'm just not sold on the DE's and DT's for a 3-4.

very well said Roy. Couldn't agree with you more. Yeah, I don't think we have the DL to run a 3-4 defense. Our DE's are not good run stoppers. I'm high on Jared Allen, but, his run defense is pourous, and he is a bit small. Definately, not the DE we want in a 3-4. Eric hicks we all know, and don't care to elaborate on him. Our DT's are simply not big enough, nor strong enough to play in a 3-4. With the exception of Siavii, each and everyone of our DT's are slighy over 300lbs or a little under 300lbs. It is not only the size, but, the fact that most of our DT's are not 2 gap players, and only 1 gap players.
I wish we signed Keith Traylor. A DT like that, is well suited for a 3-4. I think we have the LB's to run a 3-4. Maybe we should try a 4-4?

[BigChiefFan]

Originally Posted by RedBull

very well said Roy. Couldn't agree with you more. Yeah, I don't think we have the DL to run a 3-4 defense. Our DE's are not good run stoppers. I'm high on Jared Allen, but, his run defense is pourous, and he is a bit small. Definately, not the DE we want in a 3-4. Eric hicks we all know, and don't care to elaborate on him. Our DT's are simply not big enough, nor strong enough to play in a 3-4. With the exception of Siavii, each and everyone of our DT's are slighy over 300lbs or a little under 300lbs. It is not only the size, but, the fact that most of our DT's are not 2 gap players, and only 1 gap players.
I wish we signed Keith Traylor. A DT like that, is well suited for a 3-4. I think we have the LB's to run a 3-4. Maybe we should try a 4-4?

Hicks is a damn good run stopper and Allen has bulked up and been working on run containment. Our LBers are better than our D-Line and we have two Nose tackles in Savaii and Dalton. We could run the 3-4, Maybe not as effective as the Pats, but our LBing speed could pull it off.

[RedThat]

Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

Hicks is a damn good run stopper and Allen has bulked up and been working on run containment. Our LBers are better than our D-Line and we have two Nose tackles in Savaii and Dalton. We could run the 3-4, Maybe not as effective as the Pats, but our LBing speed could pull it off.

where did you get this information on Allen? Last pic I saw of him recently looks like he hasn't been hitting the gym/working out. Looks like he's been partying and drinking beer. Dude looks like he's developing a beer gut.

[BigChiefFan]

Originally Posted by RedBull

where did you get this information on Allen? Last pic I saw of him recently looks like he hasn't been hitting the gym/working out. Looks like he's been partying and drinking beer. Dude looks like he's developing a beer gut.

I saw him in person at the practice, plus it was reported that he had bulked up to 280 lbs on the radio.

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

Hicks is a damn good run stopper and Allen has bulked up and been working on run containment. Our LBers are better than our D-Line and we have two Nose tackles in Savaii and Dalton. We could run the 3-4, Maybe not as effective as the Pats, but our LBing speed could pull it off.

I'm with you 100%. Except for that part about Hicks being a damn good run stopper. And Allen being someone you'd want as a 3-4 DE. And Siavii being a 3-4 NT. And Sims being a 3-4 NT. But other than that, absolutely right on.

[BigChiefFan]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

I'm with you 100%. Except for that part about Hicks being a damn good run stopper. And Allen being someone you'd want as a 3-4 DE. And Siavii being a 3-4 NT. And Sims being a 3-4 NT. But other than that, absolutely right on.

Hater. That was good stuff. Just call me crazy next time.

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

Hater. That was good stuff. Just call me crazy next time.

Why, I couldn't do that. That would be mean.

[BigChiefFan]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

Why, I couldn't do that. That would be mean.

All kidding aside, we don't have the optimum horses up front on the D-line, but we actually have a very speedy set of LBers now. On passing downs, I believe we would be wise to utilize our speed and have 4 LBers on the field rather than our weakness of 4 D-lineman.

After thinking of your previous post, I tend to agree Hicks is NOT great run-stopper ( I exaggerate from time to time ), but he really does a pretty good job of containing the run, IMO. He also is good at putting pressure on the QB, he just rarely FINISHES the play with a sack.

Savaii has the size and strength to man the NT positiion, but is not the idle candidate, unless he really turns it up a few notches.

Sims is a possibility, but I prefer him as the undertackle.

Hall looks pretty good and Allen will improve from last year, IMO.

Our D-line could be a weakness, but it's worth installing some plays on obvious passing downs to utilize our LBers. Just my take.