Is anyone seriously scared of the Raiders?

[Hammock Parties]

Yes, they got some nice shiny toys for the offense.

But Norv Turner is still their head coach and Chiefs fans know how well keeping the same players and changing the scheme works for fixing a defense.

[Eye Patch]

Originally Posted by gochiefs

Tyler Brayton is an example of a player who's going to be helped by the scheme move. Warren Sapp is not. Why do you think Tampa Bay had almost zero interest in resigning him?

You better stick to choke football... because you don't know sh*t about Raider football.

To think that Tyler Brayton is a player who's going to be helped by the new scheme proves one of three things... A: you don't watch Raider football... B: you don't know squat… or C: all of the above.. which would be more accurate.

Tyler couldn’t cover the ground he was responsible for with a 3/4 alignment… how in the hell is he gonna do well in a 4/3 since he will have more ground to cover.

He is a DE that is “trying” to being converted to a OLB. If I were the chokes I would dump halfback tosses his way and watch him grab some air. He’s a great kid with a big heart and a great motor but IMO he is lost out there.

and if you think that Warrnen Sapp will not be helped by moving back to a position that he has played for years and as a pro bowl player... and also having big Ted Washington playing the middle who always sucks up two o-lineman… then I understand why many knowledgeable football fans usually ignore your tripe.

[Rain Man]

I'm somewhat afraid of the Rai ders off the field. I'd hate to get caught in the middle of a drug deal gone bad or something.

[RaiderCorporate]

Originally Posted by Amnorix

I'm thinking, however, that you're going to see your team with ALOT of third and longs this year. Long throws are nice and exciting, but your OLIne isn't necessarily good enough to protect Collins long enough for the play to develop.

Offenses these days usually live by generating good drives marching down the field. The Mad Bomber days are over. I'm not sure Al Davis realizes that.

Turner is a proponent of a strong ground attack first. Downfield throws will happen when the defense devotes more people to run defense at the expense of pass defense. He did this as an offensive coordinator in Dallas, San Diego and Miami, and as head coach in Washington. He is attempting to do the same in Oakland.

I am more concerned with Oakland's ability to run block than pass block. If they run block effectively and Jordan repeatedly gains yardage the defensive pass rush will address RBs coming at them first before they look for Collins' head, and that may be the difference leading to a completed long pass.

The rule changes encourage passing, allowing WRs to run untouched after 5 yards from scrimmage. It seems a greater likelihood that more teams will test defenses long. Bombs away.

[Eye Patch]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

I'm somewhat afraid of the Rai ders off the field. I'd hate to get caught in the middle of a drug deal gone bad or something.

I hear ya.... gets that way when I'm selling drugs to choke fans when another one of their season hopes are dashed... yet again.

[King_Chief_Fan]

nlmnlmnlm**** the RAiders..........now I know they understand that.

[CHIEF4EVER]

Originally Posted by Eye Patch

I hear ya.... gets that way when I'm selling drugs to choke fans when another one of their season hopes are dashed... yet again.

You should talk about hopes being dashed? We have owned your crappy thuggish "team" at a rate of 2 to 1 since 1990. When residing in a glass house, one shouldn't throw stones..........btw, if you guys want to practice and/or play in the Coliseum, just call 1 Arrowhead Drive. We'll lend the keys to you at a nominal fee.

[RaiderCorporate]

Originally Posted by Nzoner 338

This is why I love Raider fan,wiser and competent= a qb who has 154 career INT vs. 153 career TD's and in the biggest game of his career choked and threw only 1 td,which just happened to be to the other team.

I will say you're correct on the history of KC,however,I sleep very well at night knowing that KC still holds the upper hand in head-to-head match-ups with the silver and black and that even when your team had Gannon they still couldn't get the job done and Rich set a record for INT's in the biggest game of his career.

Collins seemed to improve dramatically last year in his final 5 of 6 games. His performance in the preseason thus far has been very good. Yes, he still makes mistakes; there seem to be fewer mistakes, however.

I am suggesting history is not necessarily useful in predicting how one person - or one team - will do tomorrow. If you believe history repeats itself then woe to Collins and Oakland by extension. It also means your team will keep breaking your collective hearts if ever they reach the playoffs again. That you can be satisfied with that knowledge… wow. But hey, at least you can sleep at night, knowing your team still holds the upper hand in head-to-head match-ups vs. Oakland, right?

[Eye Patch]

Originally Posted by CHIEF4EVER

You should talk about hopes being dashed? We have owned your crappy thuggish "team" at a rate of 2 to 1 since 1990. When residing in a glass house, one shouldn't throw stones..........btw, if you guys want to practice and/or play in the Coliseum, just call 1 Arrowhead Drive. We'll lend the keys to you at a nominal fee.

Didn't know they gave out trophies for a head to head play for the selective window of the 90's. Maybe you could post those shiny objects for all to see.

But I understand your dilemma… when you have nothing to show you gotta go with what you got….

But if you want to compare awards for things that really count in football… you are not even in the same league.

[Eye Patch]

Originally Posted by King_Chief_Fan

nlmnlmnlm**** the RAiders..........now I know they understand that.

ahhh... looks like another one of my potential drug customers.

I could sell you all the drugs in the world… but that’s not gonna help your depression.

I would recommend you pick another team.

Oh and thanks for the neg rep... proving that my words sting.

[RaiderCorporate]

Originally Posted by CHIEF4EVER

You should talk about hopes being dashed? We have owned your crappy thuggish "team" at a rate of 2 to 1 since 1990. When residing in a glass house, one shouldn't throw stones..........btw, if you guys want to practice and/or play in the Coliseum, just call 1 Arrowhead Drive. We'll lend the keys to you at a nominal fee.

Yeah, your team is great! Let's see... since 1990... 15 years, 30 games, 20:10 ratio... so your team is 10 wins ahead, correct? No? Oh... well, maybe that's because you forgot the first 30 years. What was the win loss ratio like from 1960-1989?

I'll remember your advice about glass houses. Did you think that up all by yourself?

[ROYC75]

Originally Posted by RaiderCorporate

Then again, history suggests your team won’t participate in the Super Bowl during your lifetime. History’s a funny thing, yes?

Hey, I have seen one....... matter of fact, I have watched both times we were there on live TV. But it has been a long dry spell, one we hope will end soon.

As for the Raiders, you aren't going to get any love here.

[DaKCMan AP]

Originally Posted by foxman

I think the thing with them is that they have 3 wideouts that can hurt you. If it were just Moss and Porter then we could manage that somewhat IMO. When you add Curry as another threat, that kind of stretches the corners and safeties more than I'd like to admit.

They actually have 4. Doug Gabriel can make plays too, especially against the dime cb.

[David.]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

I'm somewhat afraid of the Rai ders off the field. I'd hate to get caught in the middle of a drug deal gone bad or something.

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by RaiderCorporate

Yeah, your team is great! Let's see... since 1990... 15 years, 30 games, 20:10 ratio... so your team is 10 wins ahead, correct? No? Oh... well, maybe that's because you forgot the first 30 years. What was the win loss ratio like from 1960-1989?

I'll remember your advice about glass houses. Did you think that up all by yourself?

Actually, by my count it's a 22-8 ratio since 1990.

Add that to a 23-34-2 record from 1960 through 1989, and we end up with the Chiefs being 45-42-2 against the Raid ers. Clearly, the Chiefs are the better team.

[RaiderCorporate]

Originally Posted by ROYC75

As for the Raiders, you aren't going to get any love here.

I guess I'll have to live with the disappointment. On a positive note, though... after I become expert at living with disapointment I can better understand what it means to be a chiefs fan!