Saunders speaks!

[Taco John]

Originally Posted by tk13

If anybody can do what we do, then why are you glad our "architect" is gone?

Nice trick. I never said anybody can do what you do. I said anybody could have success running the ball behind hall of fame linemen. There's more to your offense than your running game. In fact, your offense is pretty damned balanced between the passing game and the rushing game. Your team averages 31.7 Passing Attempts per game this past year. You attempted 32.5 rushing attempts per game.

It's no skin off my back that you guys want to minimize the impact that Saunders had on your offense.

[DaWolf]

Originally Posted by Taco John

Nice trick. I never said anybody can do what you do. I said anybody could have success running the ball behind hall of fame linemen. There's more to your offense than your running game. In fact, your offense is pretty damned balanced between the passing game and the rushing game. Your team averages 31.7 Passing Attempts per game this past year. You attempted 32.5 rushing attempts per game.

It's no skin off my back that you guys want to minimize the impact that Saunders had on your offense.

As opposed to you trying to now maximize the impact he had? According to you don't we have a loser QB running our offense? Yet now you choose to praise our pasing attack?

People fail to realize that our offense was more than the offensive coordinator. Just because an offense is successful doesn't mean a guy has the skills to be a head coach or even the skills to succeed elsewhere in the same capacity with different personnel.

Give Al Saunders credit. He took the players and called plays that managed to produce yards and points. That's what you want. But others contribue to that success, mainly the players, and also the assistant coaches. Look at Mike Mularkey, he went to Buffalo and they had crap offenses under him, while Whisenut takes over in Pittsburgh and now is being hailed as a genius himself. Look at Hermerdinger, who did pretty well in Tennessee but lacked the personnel to do it in NY. Ernie Zampese used to be called a master but his offenses in the end there a few years ago in Dallas was pathetic.

Our offense is built around our running game and our pass protection. If we don't have those, we suck. You can say the same for most teams. So yeah, it's about the linemen in both aspects, because anyone can call a good game with a good OL and good personnel running it. You even admit that in your post before this ("I think that any coordinator at this level could have a lot of success if they were blessed with Roaf."). For all we know, Mike Solari may be a better coordinator than Al Saunders. I mean this supposed genius Al Saunders was a position coach since getting fired from the Chargers in the 80's before anyone gave him a shot at being an OC. So I don't understand much of the reaction. Sometimes change is good.

And TJ, it's not like we just straight up block and run it at you. There is a whole blocking scheme we use which stresses the chip blocking method Solari is so good at teaching. So to try to minimize the complexity of our running attack by saying it's nothing but running it behind Roaf is ludicrous...

[MeaTy The Pimp]

Originally Posted by DaWolf

And TJ, it's not like we just straight up block and run it at you. There is a whole blocking scheme we use which stresses the chip blocking method Solari is so good at teaching. So to try to minimize the complexity of our running attack by saying it's nothing but running it behind Roaf is ludicrous...

I am not trying to take TJ's side here, but if my memory serves me correctly, we DID lose Raof for a few games last year, and our running game suffered a bit.

[FringeNC]

Originally Posted by DaWolf

As opposed to you trying to now maximize the impact he had? According to you don't we have a loser QB running our offense? Yet now you choose to praise our pasing attack?

People fail to realize that our offense was more than the offensive coordinator. Just because an offense is successful doesn't mean a guy has the skills to be a head coach or even the skills to succeed elsewhere in the same capacity with different personnel.

Give Al Saunders credit. He took the players and called plays that managed to produce yards and points. That's what you want. But others contribue to that success, mainly the players, and also the assistant coaches. Look at Mike Mularkey, he went to Buffalo and they had crap offenses under him, while Whisenut takes over in Pittsburgh and now is being hailed as a genius himself. Look at Hermerdinger, who did pretty well in Tennessee but lacked the personnel to do it in NY. Ernie Zampese used to be called a master but his offenses in the end there a few years ago in Dallas was pathetic.

Our offense is built around our running game and our pass protection. If we don't have those, we suck. You can say the same for most teams. So yeah, it's about the linemen in both aspects, because anyone can call a good game with a good OL and good personnel running it. You even admit that in your post before this ("I think that any coordinator at this level could have a lot of success if they were blessed with Roaf."). For all we know, Mike Solari may be a better coordinator than Al Saunders. I mean this supposed genius Al Saunders was a position coach since getting fired from the Chargers in the 80's before anyone gave him a shot at being an OC. So I don't understand much of the reaction. Sometimes change is good.

And TJ, it's not like we just straight up block and run it at you. There is a whole blocking scheme we use which stresses the chip blocking method Solari is so good at teaching. So to try to minimize the complexity of our running attack by saying it's nothing but running it behind Roaf is ludicrous...

Having a good O-line is necessary but not sufficient to having a great offense. Marty had dominant O-lines back in the day, and our offenses were very average at best. We had a pretty good offense under Saunders with John Tait at LT. Not great, but certainly above average, with the worst WRs in the history of the league.

For every Mularkey argument, there is a Weis and Linehan argument the other way -- dramatic improvement with a new coach with the same personnel. We'll see if that happens in Washington.

[King_Chief_Fan]

Originally Posted by Taco John

Nice trick. I never said anybody can do what you do. I said anybody could have success running the ball behind hall of fame linemen. There's more to your offense than your running game. In fact, your offense is pretty damned balanced between the passing game and the rushing game. Your team averages 31.7 Passing Attempts per game this past year. You attempted 32.5 rushing attempts per game.

It's no skin off my back that you guys want to minimize the impact that Saunders had on your offense.

Let's talk about the impact of Kubiak on the Denver offense.

What will change with the Denver O?