The "Curse of Denkinger?"

[Dr. Johnny Fever]

I've been thinking, with all of the curse talk over the last several years in baseball.... the bambino... the billy goat... could it be the the Royals are strapped with "the curse of Denkinger?"

We all know Jorge Orta was out at first in game six of the '85 WS. We also know how that call changed the entire momentum of the series in the Royals favor. Yes, Orta was thrown out trying to go from first to third later that inning and never scored, therefor not really having any impact on the game. But no one can deny how it turned the tide when Denkinger called him safe. We celebrated. We experienced joy and rapture. Then we went forward.

Two winning seasons I think since. Bad moves by the front office. Bad players on the field. Even many of the "good" free agents we've gotten have turned into busts once they put on the blue and white uni's. Gonzalez, Knoblach, Neifi Perez even bounced back after leaving KC. Our good young players always become stars elsewhere. Our good young players who stick around after having initial success... Berroa, Jose Rosado, Ken Harvey, etc., fall to the wayside soon after making a name for themselves.

So I ask you Royals bretheren... are we saddled with "the Curse of Denkinger?"

Or do we just plain suck?

[CHIEF4EVER]

Originally Posted by nm_dbf

Real simple. Their would not have been a game 7. Dink's bad call was game 6.

Denkinger's call had no real impact on game 6.

[DJJasonp]

Originally Posted by WilliamTheIrish

It's not the curse of Denkinger.

It's the curse of of the death of Mr. K.

The curse of the life of owners like Steinbrenner who pony up money and drive up the price of even the most mediocre players.

Of all the bad things that have happened to the Royals, losing Kaufman left the biggest void.

Absolutely!

Any chance at having (local) ownership that cared half as much as Mr. K after his death is a long shot at best.....and that's the problem with Glass.....he's not old school...and he doesnt have that competitive fire that Mr. K had. I remember hearing the stories about how bad he wanted to beat the yankees and how bad he hated them. Glass doesnt give a damn, nor does he probably even know half the players on the yankees.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

12 years ago, do you all remember when John McSherry dropped dead umping a Reds game on opening day?? Well at first we thought it was Denkinger, so I (a huge Cards fan) told another one of my friends about it. He sat down, looked at me for a while and then laughed.

And laughed.


And laughed some more.

That's how much we hate that c*cksucking sonofabitch.

[DJJasonp]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

12 years ago, do you all remember when John McSherry dropped dead umping a Reds game on opening day?? Well at first we thought it was Denkinger, so I (a huge Cards fan) told another one of my friends about it. He sat down, looked at me for a while and then laughed.

And laughed.


And laughed some more.

That's how much we hate that c*cksucking sonofabitch.

Jack Clark's misplayed foul ball......

[Coach]

Originally Posted by WilliamTheIrish

It's not the curse of Denkinger.

It's the curse of of the death of Mr. K.

The curse of the life of owners like Steinbrenner who pony up money and drive up the price of even the most mediocre players.

Of all the bad things that have happened to the Royals, losing Kaufman left the biggest void.

I agree. Ever since Mr. K. passed on, the Royals have been just miserable.

[Lurch]

Let's face it: since Glass tookover, the Royals just, plain and simple, SUCK. Donkey dicks.

[WilliamTheIrish]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

12 years ago, do you all remember when John McSherry dropped dead umping a Reds game on opening day?? Well at first we thought it was Denkinger, so I (a huge Cards fan) told another one of my friends about it. He sat down, looked at me for a while and then laughed.

And laughed.


And laughed some more.

That's how much we hate that c*cksucking sonofabitch.

McSherry fell to the turf like a loaf of day old bread.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

12 years ago, do you all remember when John McSherry dropped dead umping a Reds game on opening day?? Well at first we thought it was Denkinger, so I (a huge Cards fan) told another one of my friends about it. He sat down, looked at me for a while and then laughed.

And laughed.


And laughed some more.

That's how much we hate that c*cksucking sonofabitch.

If you're referring to that "c*ocksucking sonofabitch" as Denkinger, then you're really bitter. Sure Denkinger's call was wrong, but the Cardinals made a number of mistakes that enabled the Royals to stay in the game and win.

1. Denkinger's call.

2. Next at-bat, Clark misplayed a foul pop-up by batter Steve Balboni. Instead of popping out, Balboni singled on the next pitch, and Onix Concepcion came in to pinch-run.

3. With runners on first and second, Jim Sundberg then bunted into a force play at third.

4. Catcher Darrell Porter then allowed a passed ball, allowing the runners to advance to second and third. Pinch-hitter Hal McRae was intentionally walked to load the bases.

5. Dane Iorg knocked a bloop single to right that scored Concepcion and Sundberg, who avoided Porter's tag at the plate to score the winning run.

Basically, the Cardinals self-destructed, not only becuase of the wrong-call, but their inability to ignore that incident and focus the game.

And since the Royals won game six, there WAS a game seven, that I guess the Cardinals forgot to show up.

[AirForceChief]

Friends,

The one and only reason our team took a nose dive after continued success in the eighties and early ninties: we lost our guru - John Schuerholz. Of course at least we have the comfort that the Atlanta Braves haven't enjoyed success since he left KC for the ATL!!!!

John Schuerholz (b. October 1, 1940 in Baltimore, MD) is the current (2005) general manager of the Atlanta Braves of the National League. Before joining Atlanta, he spent twenty-two years with the Kansas City Royals organization, including nine as the club's GM. Among the teams he has built are the 1985 Royals and 1995 Braves, both world champions. His teams have also won their division 15 times. He is considered the king of scouting credited with an amazing farm system.

[StcChief]

Dink's call was the break Royals needed. Not sure the other events would have occured. Without a runner a first.... and 1 out. Worrel Pitching from windup.....

[WilliamTheIrish]

Originally Posted by nm_dbf

Dink's call was the break Royals needed. Not sure the other events would have occured. Without a runner a first.... and 1 out. Worrel Pitching from windup.....

Hard to say.

The Cards were pathetic offensively in the entire series. It's amazing (to me) that they were able to win a game with that punchless lineup.

It's all water under the bridge now.

[Lurch]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

12 years ago, do you all remember when John McSherry dropped dead umping a Reds game on opening day?? Well at first we thought it was Denkinger, so I (a huge Cards fan) told another one of my friends about it. He sat down, looked at me for a while and then laughed.

And laughed.


And laughed some more.

That's how much we hate that c*cksucking sonofabitch.

A GD Cardinal fan. Another reason to hate your sorry ass.

[tk13]

It wasn't just the death of Mr. K... it was the fact that it took 7 freaking years for the "committee" to find an owner. There were 7 years between Mr. K dying and Glass becoming the owner... and Glass was already Mr. K's right hand man and chairman of the board, whatever position was 2nd behind Mr. K. By the time Glass officially took over, the team was in shambles and had no direction. It's taken all this time to get our ducks in a row.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

To all those people implicating the Cards for losing the series, you have a strong point--the Cards batted .143 for the series, which is the lowest of any team in any 7 game series in WS history. However, there are certain things that happen that absolutely crush any form of momentum that you have, and Denkinger's call did that. Were the Cards a truly transcendent team that could overcome such a thing? No. But were they the better team in that Series...well yes.

[Reaper16]

Wouldn't the Cards be similarly cursed, then. Cuz they aint got it done since.