Edwards promises offensive changes for Chiefs - Page 10

Oz_Chief · 01-07-2007, 10:59 PM

...but Solari stays.

http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercu...s/16406684.htm

By Adam Teicher

McClatchy Newspapers

(MCT)

KANSAS CITY, Mo. - One day after a pathetic performance bounced his team from the playoffs, Herm Edwards promised offensive changes for the Chiefs in 2007.

Edwards said he couldn't be specific about many of the changes because they are still to be decided. But he indicated they would probably include a different scheme_and maybe a new starting quarterback.

They won't include a new coordinator. Edwards said Mike Solari would continue in that job no matter what type of offense the Chiefs use.

Edwards also said defensive coordinator Gunther Cunningham and the rest of his assistant coaches would be welcome to return next season.

Edwards has contemplated changes through the course of a bumpy offensive season. Saturday's 23-8 loss to the Colts in a first-round playoff game in Indianapolis helped drive home the point.

The Chiefs had 126 yards and failed to get a first down until their eighth possession.

"We didn't handle their speed real well," Edwards said.

"We have to take a hard look at ourselves. You have to be realistic and ask yourself if we're really capable of (successfully running their current system). I want to make sure of one thing: Whatever type of system we run, young players have to be able to play. They can't wait a year or two to get on the field. I don't want to be in a situation where young guys who have some talent can't play because the system is too complex.

"There are some things we do very well. There are things we can do even better. That's what I'm talking about here: How do we do these things better? It's not a laundry list of things. These are just things that allow us to get the football to the right players."

Edwards said the Chiefs would keep their power running game centered on Larry Johnson and a play-action passing game. But they will simplify by cutting back on the number of plays and their complexities.

Those changes would be aimed toward making things easier for younger players. Edwards wouldn't identify those players he would like to play more next season, but he may have been talking about rookie wide receivers Jeff Webb and Chris Hannon and perhaps even rookie quarterback Brodie Croyle.

"I just know it has to be player-friendly," Edwards said. "It has to be something that young players at all positions can play. I want to give the quarterback even more ability to change some things at the line of scrimmage. I want him to have the ability to get to anything we have right now.

Edwards wouldn't address the issue of whether Trent Green would return as the starting quarterback. Green's play dropped off significantly this season after he missed eight games because of a concussion.

"That's not even something we're discussing right now," Edwards said. "There are a whole lot of other things we have to do as far as the program before we start worrying about player situations. That's second on the agenda."

But his refusal to back Green, who will turn 37 next summer, speaks loudly. The conservative Edwards believes in ball control above all. Green committed three turnovers in the final regular-season game against Jacksonville and three more in the loss to the Colts.

He had no such hesitation about supporting Solari, a career offensive-line coach until promoted to coordinator by Edwards this season.

"I told Mike today that he did a good job for his first year," Edwards said. "That's a tough seat he's sitting in. A lot of the things that happened to us - losing some players, losing the quarterback_affected him. He had never called an offensive play. That's hard. He will be so much better next year. It won't even be close.

"Mike's the guy. He's going to be a heck of an offensive coordinator. Next year will be a lot different for him. I was so much better my second year as a head coach. He'll gain more confidence. He knows me better now. Mike had to learn the passing game. You don't learn that in a year unless you're a coordinator. He was an offensive-line coach. That's something he had to go through."

Edwards also said he was pleased with how he and Cunningham worked together.

"We think a whole lot alike as far as the things we want to get done," he said. "I know people think he's blitz-crazy, but he's really not. He's got to do what the players allow him to do."

Hammock Parties · 01-08-2007, 10:24 AM

Here's my only problem - what variation of the Coryell system used big receivers? It seems like we have the personnel now to switch to the west coast w/power running (ala Seahawks and Packers), but we're stuck with an offensive coordinator that's never run that system and a quarterback who knows Coryell. What now?

KCJohnny · 01-08-2007, 10:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoChiefs

Here's my only problem - what variation of the Coryell system used big receivers? It seems like we have the personnel now to switch to the west coast w/power running (ala Seahawks and Packers), but we're stuck with an offensive coordinator that's never run that system and a quarterback who knows Coryell. What now?

Just keep "Remember the Titans" away from Herm. They had 6 plays.

Mr. Laz · 01-08-2007, 10:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oz_Chief

They won't include a new coordinator. Edwards said Mike Solari would continue in that job no matter what type of offense the Chiefs use.

But they will simplify by cutting back on the number of plays and their complexities

Dear lord ... i think i just puked in my mouth a little.

you don't change offenses WITHOUT changing the offense staff. This is not an attack on Solari ... but you really don't want your Offensive Coordinator learning the system while trying to teach the new system to the players.

that is just a disaster waiting to happen

the same stupid ass thing Vermeil did with the defense

simplify .... cutting back on plays???

holy crap, how much simplier can a gameplan be than what we ran against the colts.

i feel sick ... i really feel sick

txhawk · 01-08-2007, 10:34 AM

As far as Solari goes, I'm not his biggest proponent. But in his defense, how can an OC feel comfortable calling pass plays downfield when the WR's can't get separation. The perfect pass is not a way to base your offense passing. Let Tony G go, use his money to get some WR help. Kennison is a borderline number two. Parker shouldn't see the field, and it's time Dante moves on. Use Bennett as KR/PR.

KCJohnny · 01-08-2007, 10:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by txhawk

As far as Solari goes, I'm not his biggest proponent. But in his defense, how can an OC feel comfortable calling pass plays downfield when the WR's can't get separation. The perfect pass is not a way to base your offense passing. Let Tony G go, use his money to get some WR help. Kennison is a borderline number two. Parker shouldn't see the field, and it's time Dante moves on. Use Bennett as KR/PR.

Herm said Solari was "learning the passing game" this year.

crazycoffey · 01-08-2007, 10:38 AM

HEY Herm Haters!!!

I got this to say, you have to at least respect the idea that he is seriously looking at his philosophy and his player's abilities, the success and failures this year and willing to change to become better, and this makes you bit*h at him?

They ran the same offense, but the playcalling was more conservative, exp. when green went down. We've all heard how complex the playbooks are, the motions, the amount of looks, etc. Maybe it is time for that offense to go away, the players aren't the same for it anymore.

My point is; it takes a man to admit he's wrong and make changes, hard as hell for me personally, and to have herm already saying he want's to look at this, means he won't be sitting around doing nothing, he'll be proactive to make improvments, not going to off to make wine.

Archie Bunker · 01-08-2007, 10:38 AM

No system will work with this bad of an o-line and that is all on Carl.

Shields is done, Wiegman has declined, and I have no hope for any of the flunkies the Chiefs used at either tackle position. Outstide of maybe Waters the Chiefs have giant holes all across the OL. Carl had plenty of time to groom replacements and he didn't get it done.

crazycoffey · 01-08-2007, 10:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCJohnny

Herm said Solari was "learning the passing game" this year.

That has to mean, learning how to call pass plays with our WR corp. truely a challenge, I'm sure

Reerun_KC · 01-08-2007, 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by patteeu

Herm and offense did not appear in the same sentence anywhere in that post.

Well damn. But they dont belong anyway....

crap, look like doorknob this morning.

Reerun_KC · 01-08-2007, 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crazycoffey

That has to mean, learning how to call pass plays with our WR corp. truely a challenge, I'm sure

AS didnt have much trouble.... Cant be that challenging?

Unless you are being Lead by Herm, then masturbating with a cheesegrader become challenging to say the least.

blackhawk · 01-08-2007, 10:45 AM

o just great next year no first downs!

Hammock Parties · 01-08-2007, 10:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Archie Bunker

No system will work with this bad of an o-line and that is all on Carl.

We have to hope that Black can play RG and Terry can play RT. I think replacing two starters on the OL with outside talent is the best we can hope for. Any more than that and it will be a disaster.

htismaqe · 01-08-2007, 10:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laz

you don't change offenses WITHOUT changing the offense staff. This is not an attack on Solari ... but you really don't want your Offensive Coordinator learning the system while trying to teach the new system to the players.

In this case, you DO change the offense and keep the offensive coordinator.

Why?

Because Mike Solari was never allowed to call HIS offense. This was HERM'S offense all along.

**Fire Me Boy!** · 01-08-2007, 10:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

That is pretty laughable..

Herm and offense in the same sentence...

Herm's gameplan was offensive.

There, I did it and it works 100 percent.

WilliamTheIrish · 01-08-2007, 10:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crazycoffey

HEY Herm Haters!!!

I got this to say, you have to at least respect the idea that he is seriously looking at his philosophy and his player's abilities, the success and failures this year and willing to change to become better, and this makes you bit*h at him?

.

I heard this all before. It was called "Getting yardage in chunks" and it was espoused by Marty. It blew chunks. Personally, I don't believe a word from Herm because he's Carl's hand puppet. Much the same way Gunther was.

We are simply moving away from Coryell ball to the straight ahead Martyocre power running/play action game. In effect, going backwards in (football) time.

What we saw in the playoffs is what we'll see in the regular season next year. And there won't be any significant changes in personell. We'll have the same QB, and the same porous OLine.
It'll just be more conservative to protect the aged QB.

01-07-2007, 10:59 PM
Oz_Chief Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: USA Casino cash: $-2024899	Edwards promises offensive changes for Chiefs ...but Solari stays. http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercu...s/16406684.htm By Adam Teicher McClatchy Newspapers (MCT) KANSAS CITY, Mo. - One day after a pathetic performance bounced his team from the playoffs, Herm Edwards promised offensive changes for the Chiefs in 2007. Edwards said he couldn't be specific about many of the changes because they are still to be decided. But he indicated they would probably include a different scheme_and maybe a new starting quarterback. They won't include a new coordinator. Edwards said Mike Solari would continue in that job no matter what type of offense the Chiefs use. Edwards also said defensive coordinator Gunther Cunningham and the rest of his assistant coaches would be welcome to return next season. Edwards has contemplated changes through the course of a bumpy offensive season. Saturday's 23-8 loss to the Colts in a first-round playoff game in Indianapolis helped drive home the point. The Chiefs had 126 yards and failed to get a first down until their eighth possession. "We didn't handle their speed real well," Edwards said. "We have to take a hard look at ourselves. You have to be realistic and ask yourself if we're really capable of (successfully running their current system). I want to make sure of one thing: Whatever type of system we run, young players have to be able to play. They can't wait a year or two to get on the field. I don't want to be in a situation where young guys who have some talent can't play because the system is too complex. "There are some things we do very well. There are things we can do even better. That's what I'm talking about here: How do we do these things better? It's not a laundry list of things. These are just things that allow us to get the football to the right players." Edwards said the Chiefs would keep their power running game centered on Larry Johnson and a play-action passing game. But they will simplify by cutting back on the number of plays and their complexities. Those changes would be aimed toward making things easier for younger players. Edwards wouldn't identify those players he would like to play more next season, but he may have been talking about rookie wide receivers Jeff Webb and Chris Hannon and perhaps even rookie quarterback Brodie Croyle. "I just know it has to be player-friendly," Edwards said. "It has to be something that young players at all positions can play. I want to give the quarterback even more ability to change some things at the line of scrimmage. I want him to have the ability to get to anything we have right now. Edwards wouldn't address the issue of whether Trent Green would return as the starting quarterback. Green's play dropped off significantly this season after he missed eight games because of a concussion. "That's not even something we're discussing right now," Edwards said. "There are a whole lot of other things we have to do as far as the program before we start worrying about player situations. That's second on the agenda." But his refusal to back Green, who will turn 37 next summer, speaks loudly. The conservative Edwards believes in ball control above all. Green committed three turnovers in the final regular-season game against Jacksonville and three more in the loss to the Colts. He had no such hesitation about supporting Solari, a career offensive-line coach until promoted to coordinator by Edwards this season. "I told Mike today that he did a good job for his first year," Edwards said. "That's a tough seat he's sitting in. A lot of the things that happened to us - losing some players, losing the quarterback_affected him. He had never called an offensive play. That's hard. He will be so much better next year. It won't even be close. "Mike's the guy. He's going to be a heck of an offensive coordinator. Next year will be a lot different for him. I was so much better my second year as a head coach. He'll gain more confidence. He knows me better now. Mike had to learn the passing game. You don't learn that in a year unless you're a coordinator. He was an offensive-line coach. That's something he had to go through." Edwards also said he was pleased with how he and Cunningham worked together. "We think a whole lot alike as far as the things we want to get done," he said. "I know people think he's blitz-crazy, but he's really not. He's got to do what the players allow him to do."
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01-08-2007, 10:24 AM	#136
Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $1010478	Here's my only problem - what variation of the Coryell system used big receivers? It seems like we have the personnel now to switch to the west coast w/power running (ala Seahawks and Packers), but we're stuck with an offensive coordinator that's never run that system and a quarterback who knows Coryell. What now? __________________ Chiefs game films
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txhawk Starter Join Date: May 2004 Casino cash: $10006825	As far as Solari goes, I'm not his biggest proponent. But in his defense, how can an OC feel comfortable calling pass plays downfield when the WR's can't get separation. The perfect pass is not a way to base your offense passing. Let Tony G go, use his money to get some WR help. Kennison is a borderline number two. Parker shouldn't see the field, and it's time Dante moves on. Use Bennett as KR/PR.
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crazycoffey .......... Join Date: Dec 2006 Casino cash: $4167901	HEY Herm Haters!!! I got this to say, you have to at least respect the idea that he is seriously looking at his philosophy and his player's abilities, the success and failures this year and willing to change to become better, and this makes you bit*h at him? They ran the same offense, but the playcalling was more conservative, exp. when green went down. We've all heard how complex the playbooks are, the motions, the amount of looks, etc. Maybe it is time for that offense to go away, the players aren't the same for it anymore. My point is; it takes a man to admit he's wrong and make changes, hard as hell for me personally, and to have herm already saying he want's to look at this, means he won't be sitting around doing nothing, he'll be proactive to make improvments, not going to off to make wine.
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