Jared Allen ain't going no where

[Splat420]

King Carl just said on 38 the spot Jared Allen is going to be a Chief next year even if they have to tag him. He said he gave him 2.5 million this year and he has earned every penny so far duh.

(Repost?)

[ChiefsGirl]

So, the Chiefs could use the exclusive tag and any thought another team may have of giving up two draft picks is moot?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franchise_tag

[Messier]

Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

They also can structure contracts to work in their favor like a poisin pill or by giving all the money upfront. I'm sure there are some teams that would actually consider giving up picks for a premier DE going into their prime. JA is the real deal.

The main point is, if you already KNOW you are going to sign him long-term why wait and give teams an opportunity to set the pricetag for his services and or attempt to sign him away from us?


It's more in a long line of reasons why Carl is still an incompetent boob 19 years later.

It's week six! They have quite a while. You're like someone who's expecting a call from someone who said they'd call this week, and here it is Tuesday and they haven't called, so you say, Well, that's it they aren't gonna call.

[Planetman]

Originally Posted by ChiefsGirl

So, the Chiefs could use the exclusive tag and any thought another team may have of giving up two draft picks is moot?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franchise_tag

If we tag him, we'll keep him. No one is going to give up draft picks for Allen. If we tag him, it will also put us in salary cap hell. Let's hope we don't have to tag him.

[Messier]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Just because JA can be franchised doesn't mean that they don't risk losing him. He's already made noises that he doesn't want to be here in KC. He can holdout. He can sit out the year if he has too. This is not college. His agent can loan him millions if he as too.

But it will probably go like Tony G's holdout in 2001-2? did. JA wants the big time deal. King carl refuses and franchises him. JA says FU I'm not reporting to camp. Long and nasty holdout ensues. 2-3 games into the season a long term deal gets done.

Some factors to consider.

• This is JA's agent first big time FA contract. The agent ses this as his big oppertunity to land more big time NFL clients he's not going to allow a hometown discount
• JA develops an attitude towards King Carl and the FO and leaves ala...Tait

I really doubt He'll sit out a year to spite the Chiefs. I haven't heard any rumblings lately that he hates it here have you? Maybe he's patched everything up? The Chiefs will offer him as much as other teams will, it might be a little more or less but it'll be what he deserves.

[BigChiefFan]

No. I have NINETEEN years of watching the same man do the same thing over and over again. You don't throw out the franchise tag to the public if you are close in sides, besides that, Carl doesn't work that way. Carl will wait until the offseason to save a buck now.

[Messier]

Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

No. I have NINETEEN years of watching the same man do the same thing over and over again. You don't throw out the franchise tag to the public if you are close in sides, besides that, Carl doesn't work that way. Carl will wait until the offseason to save a buck now.

Again, did he say the Chiefs are going to franchise him? You're right I'll bet there is a long way to go before both sides are in agreement, but I'll bet anything they're talking.

There's the idea again that somehow Carl is cheap. Look I hate Carl, he's so full of himself it makes me sick, and he's not always the best judge of talent, it's best if he left that to the coaches, I wish he were gone, but I know he's a good negotiator, I've seen it over the same nineteen years you have. I trust him with getting a good deal, and spreading the money around wisely. Say what you will about him, when he really wants to get something done as far as player acquisition or retention it gets done, and it strikes me that he wants to have Allen here.

[BigChiefFan]

Originally Posted by Messier

Again, did he say the Chiefs are going to franchise him? You're right I'll bet there is a long way to go before both sides are in agreement, but I'll bet anything they're talking.

There's the idea again that somehow Carl is cheap. Look I hate Carl, he's so full of himself it makes me sick, and he's not always the best judge of talent, it's best if he left that to the coaches, I wish he were gone, but I know he's a good negotiator, I've seen it over the same nineteen years you have. I trust him with getting a good deal, and spreading the money around wisely. Say what you will about him, when he really wants to get something done as far as player acquisition or retention it gets done, and it strikes me that he wants to have Allen here.

You take a pretty fair approach, but John Tait throws a wrinkle in your argument about keeping a player we want to keep.

Also, Carl may or may not have made a phone call to Allen's agent, but I truly doubt that they are in heated discussions about working out the numbers. Carl doesn't roll that way, he would rather save the money now.

[ChiefsGirl]

Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

You take a pretty fair approach, but John Tait throws a wrinkle in your argument about keeping a player we want to keep.

Also, Carl may or may not have made a phone call to Allen's agent, but I truly doubt that they are in heated discussions about working out the numbers. Carl doesn't roll that way, he would rather save the money now.

John Tait had a transition tag, not a franchise tag.

[Messier]

Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

You take a pretty fair approach, but John Tait throws a wrinkle in your argument about keeping a player we want to keep.

Also, Carl may or may not have made a phone call to Allen's agent, but I truly doubt that they are in heated discussions about working out the numbers. Carl doesn't roll that way, he would rather save the money now.

I was thinking about the Tait move, that does go against what I said. But if you remember, the Chiefs had the transition tag on Tait, they took a gamble that no one would pay what it would cost to sign him. The Bears offered a deal that was ridiculous, it was top LT money and at that time Tait was only our RT, you don't pay a RT top LT money. I remember saying wow! If they want Tait that badly they can have him, I think everyone felt that way.

[Nightfyre]

There is no reason for Carl to use the F-tag word unless he is in negotiations currently.

[BigChiefFan]

Originally Posted by ChiefsGirl

John Tait had a transition tag, not a franchise tag.

The principle is still the same only the compensation goes up.

We would have to pay JA more AND teams would have to offer more in higher round picks-it's a double-edged sword that effects both current team and the propositional team.

In other words, JA's price tag goes up for us with the franchise tag compared to the transition tag. That's less wiggle room for free agents, because he woud count against the cap at a ONE year deal with huge money.

That's exactly why I'm stressing Carl should get off his duff and get this done PRIOR to the offseason.

[ChiefsGirl]

Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

The principle is still the same only the compensation goes up.

We would have to pay JA more AND teams would have to offer more in higher round picks-it's a double-edged sword that effects both current team and the propositional team.

In other words, JA's price tag goes up for us with the franchise tag compared to the transition tag. That's less wiggle room for free agents, because he woud count against the cap at a ONE year deal with huge money.

That's exactly why I'm stressing Carl should get off his duff and get this done PRIOR to the offseason.

According to wikipedia (which is never incorrect, ), teams can make a player an "exclusive franchise player" and no other team can negotiate with that player.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franchise_tag

Originally Posted by wikipedia

An "exclusive" franchise player must be offered a one-year contract for an amount equal to or greater than the average of the top five salaries at the player's position as of a date in April of the current year in which the tag will apply, or 120 percent of the player's previous year's salary, whichever is greater. Exclusive franchise players cannot negotiate with other teams.

[penguinz]

Originally Posted by Planetman

If we tag him, we'll keep him. No one is going to give up draft picks for Allen. If we tag him, it will also put us in salary cap hell. Let's hope we don't have to tag him.

We have plenty of cap space.

[Planetman]

Originally Posted by penguinz

We have plenty of cap space.

We would have far less cap space if we tagged him. Don't be fooled by the internet numbers you see posted.