Views from around the Sports Nation on KU getting Orange Bowl over MU.

[MarcBulger]

Mike and Mike in the morning - "Both are saying that uk's selection over Mizzou going to the Orange Bowl is purely a joke.

Associated Press - "Never mind that both of Missouri's losses were to Oklahoma, that the Tigers were two slots ahead of Kansas in the final BCS standings and beat the Jayhawks head-to-head on Nov. 24 to doom Kansas' national-title hopes."

Lee Corso - "Did Missouri beat Kansas? Did they beat Illinois? Where are they going?...Something's wrong with the system."

Kirk Herbstreit - "The Orange Bowl committee should be asked a question. Why Kansas over Missouri? They beat Kansas, were 11-1 in their last game and lost to what many say is the best team in the country."

Ivan Maisel - "The Orange Bowl chose Kansas and its 11-1 record over 11-2 Missouri despite the Tigers' defeat of the Jayhawks a week ago. Kansas, like Ohio State, benefited by not playing on Saturday, when Missouri lost to Oklahoma, 38-17."

Rivals.com poll - "The Tigers were left out of the BCS despite beating Kansas head-to-head for the Big 12 North title. Kansas, meanwhile, is going to the Orange Bowl." They're currently leading by a huge margin. http://collegefootball.rivals.com/copoll.asp?poll=69

Blair Kerkhoff - "In other words, Missouri would have profited from declining a spot in the Big 12 title game. Kansas, like Ohio State, gained by not extending its season, and that’s a serious flaw in the process. Risks should be rewarded, not penalized."




MY Fav:

"You can put the Orange Bowl with Kansas on Comedy Central, because it is a joke for them to be there." -- Pat Forde on ESPN this morning

[bobbything]

Originally Posted by Spott

I don't see a real difference in what bowl either team ends up in. Both teams exceeded expectations for this season and should be happy to be playing in New Year's day bowl games. The BCS has always been garbage, but that's nothing new. It is a downer on the sport to never really have a true champion that everyone agrees on like college basketball does, but that's the way it's always been(unfortunately).

It will be a welcome thing for me to be able to wake up on New Years day, shake off my hangover and actually have a rooting interest in a bowl game for a change.

Spot the eff on. Rep.

As a KU fan, after the loss to MU, I thought the Holiday Bowl was within reach. Anything else was just gravy. I'm simply happy to have one more game to watch.

The BCS is nonsense and has nothing to do with pinning up the "best" teams (even in the National Championship, IMO). MU is actually in the better position; go down to Tejas, anally abuse Arkansas on national TV, show the nation you were slighted, use as a great recruiting tool.

KU has all the pressure on them to live up to their bowl bid.

[HolyHandgernade]

Originally Posted by Pierce

While I agree that BCS generally sucks donkey balls, I do not think it is wrong for KU fans to at least BE HAPPY that their team is in a major bowl, regardless of whether or not the team was deserving. They have to live with the Orange Bowl Committee's selection, too.

The one thing KU fans should NOT be doing is trying to justify their BCS bid. There is just no way to do that. Nevertheless, it is what it is and I don't think it is realistic to expect KU fans to not be happy with the result despite how wrong it was.

Man, I'm getting sick of this stuff. People don't need to justify things if other people don't keep telling them "you're a joke, you don't deserve it, etc.". I'll tell you what, I'll start admonishing the Jayhawk fans who defend them when the other fans stop denegrating them, how about that.

Look at this thread header for crying out loud. Its like saying, "Its OK for you to be happy, but for crying out loud, when the rest of us trash your program you either better agree or just keep quiet".

You Tiger fans want to be mad about something, be mad at the Rose Bowl. Before there was a "National Championship Game", the idea was that the bowls would rotate who got the 1 v. 2 game, on down pairing the top ranked teams against each other. The problem was the Rose Bowl didn't want to do that. They had their precious "tradition" and wanted to be assured that they could keep their pathetic PAC 10/Big 10 mtchup when they didn't have the 1 v. 2 game. So the bowls kept their tie-ins except when it was their turn to host the top game. So that's why you don't have the bowls matching 1/2, 3/4, 5/6, 7/8, 9/10.

You want someone else to blame, blame the BCS. Their the ones who decided no more than two teams from any one conference. If that rule wasn't in place, more than likely, you would be in a BCS bowl as well.

And, I don't know how many of you are aware of this, but schools like Kansas, Missouri, and Hawaii are not the movers and shakers of the collegiate football arena. They weren't the influential schools dictating how this BCS was going to play out. So, don't blame Kansas because SOS is not considered, don't blame Kansas for what the Bowls want to look at when they decide who they want their at-large teams to be. And please stop with the idea that because we lost to MU by 8 points on a neutral field when they were ranked 4, soon to be 1, that all of a sudden were this pathetic team. We're freakin' 11-1. We didn't lose to a Standford at home, we won the games we were supposed to win.

So as far as I'm concerned, KU wasn't competing against MU for a Bowl spot in Arrowhead. That was for the North title and the right to go to the Championship. An at-large bid is not about who is perceived to be most deserving, its whoever is eligible and they want. They wanted KU and they don't have to justify it any more than that. All KU had to do was be elgibile to be selected, and they were that. So, if you don't want us defending it anymore, then go talk about your team and the foe they are playing in whatever non-Orange Bowl event you happen to be playing in. I don't care if the rest of America thinks its the worst game. You want to know what they thought the worst BCS game was going to be last year? OU-Boise St. Yeah, that turned out to be a real crappy game.

Rock Chalk! I'll be watching, and I don't really care if any of you do or not.

-HH

[Boyceofsummer]

Originally Posted by HolyHandgernade

Man, I'm getting sick of this stuff. People don't need to justify things if other people don't keep telling them "you're a joke, you don't deserve it, etc.". I'll tell you what, I'll start admonishing the Jayhawk fans who defend them when the other fans stop denegrating them, how about that.

Look at this thread header for crying out loud. Its like saying, "Its OK for you to be happy, but for crying out loud, when the rest of us trash your program you either better agree or just keep quiet".

You Tiger fans want to be mad about something, be mad at the Rose Bowl. Before there was a "National Championship Game", the idea was that the bowls would rotate who got the 1 v. 2 game, on down pairing the top ranked teams against each other. The problem was the Rose Bowl didn't want to do that. They had their precious "tradition" and wanted to be assured that they could keep their pathetic PAC 10/Big 10 mtchup when they didn't have the 1 v. 2 game. So the bowls kept their tie-ins except when it was their turn to host the top game. So that's why you don't have the bowls matching 1/2, 3/4, 5/6, 7/8, 9/10.

You want someone else to blame, blame the BCS. Their the ones who decided no more than two teams from any one conference. If that rule wasn't in place, more than likely, you would be in a BCS bowl as well.

And, I don't know how many of you are aware of this, but schools like Kansas, Missouri, and Hawaii are not the movers and shakers of the collegiate football arena. They weren't the influential schools dictating how this BCS was going to play out. So, don't blame Kansas because SOS is not considered, don't blame Kansas for what the Bowls want to look at when they decide who they want their at-large teams to be. And please stop with the idea that because we lost to MU by 8 points on a neutral field when they were ranked 4, soon to be 1, that all of a sudden were this pathetic team. We're freakin' 11-1. We didn't lose to a Standford at home, we won the games we were supposed to win.

So as far as I'm concerned, KU wasn't competing against MU for a Bowl spot in Arrowhead. That was for the North title and the right to go to the Championship. An at-large bid is not about who is perceived to be most deserving, its whoever is eligible and they want. They wanted KU and they don't have to justify it any more than that. All KU had to do was be elgibile to be selected, and they were that. So, if you don't want us defending it anymore, then go talk about your team and the foe they are playing in whatever non-Orange Bowl event you happen to be playing in. I don't care if the rest of America thinks its the worst game. You want to know what they thought the worst BCS game was going to be last year? OU-Boise St. Yeah, that turned out to be a real crappy game.

Rock Chalk! I'll be watching, and I don't really care if any of you do or not.

-HH

THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well put. I'm afraid it will never shut the yapper that has become black & gold. But I digress.

[Thrillhouse]

Even if Missouri had got a BCS and KU was in the Cotton Bowl, frazod would still bitter a bitter, sad, pathetic, fatass. That will never change.

[SPchief]

The stupidity in this thread from both sides is awesome.

[Extra Point]

This talk is meaningless if both KU and MU lose. I hope all the Big 12 teams win their bowl games. The Big 12 table run means great things for the heartland.

Meanwhile, I'm living to be buried before the Roos play in March.

[SPchief]

MU needs to get over it and get ready for Cotton Bowl
By JASON WHITLOCK

* Missouri gets caught up in this year’s BCS storm

You just hope Chase Daniel, Martin Rucker, Gary Pinkel and the rest of the Missouri Tigers have the strength to go on living after what the mean, old BCS system did to the Tigers.

Seriously, playing on New Year’s Day, in a game that is an easy drive for most of your fans, against a beatable opponent with a Heisman Trophy candidate is the kind of crime against humanity Hollywood makes movies about.

Please bow your heads as we ask the football gods to give Pinkel and the Tigers courage as they face this major crisis, combat this terrible injustice.

Now, get over it!

The whining about Kansas’ inclusion in a BCS bowl game, the Orange Bowl, and Missouri’s relegation to the non-BCS Cotton Bowl is just the kind of unwarranted bellyaching that got Kansas State’s clock cleaned in the Alamo Bowl in 1998.

Guess what? Life isn’t fair, the bowl system isn’t perfect, and Halle Berry won’t respond to my e-mails.

There’s no crime here, only opportunity. Pinkel and Daniel get to showcase their program and talent in the fertile recruiting ground of Texas, and some 20,000 Mizzou fans will get to witness it in person.

If the Tigers head to Dallas in the right frame of mind, they’ll knock off Darren McFadden and a strong SEC opponent, finish the season ranked in the top five and kick off their 2008-09 national-title run.

If the Tigers head to Dallas believing they’ve been robbed and carrying themselves like victims, McFadden and Arkansas will create the perception that the Tigers can’t run with the big dogs, the SEC.

So stop the crying.

Missouri fans are too caught up in what Kansas got to appreciate the blessing they received. The Orange Bowl is going to be ignored. Virginia Tech is no draw this year. Va. Tech-Kansas is a terrible matchup. The handful of Kansas fans who pony up to fly to Miami will have a great time at South Beach and plenty of elbow room at game time.

In terms of building a program, Missouri’s trip to Dallas will do more for the Tigers than Kansas’ journey to Miami.

Texas reporters will shine a bright light on their hometown hero, Chase Daniel, telling his story to countless potential recruits. The Cotton Bowl isn’t the Fort Worth Bowl or the Alamo Bowl or any of the other easy-to-ignore bowl games. The Cotton has great history and prestige.

Playing Arkansas is another plus. Razorback fans will show up. The game is going to feel like a major happening.

Pinkel’s boys better hit Texas in the right frame of mind. McFadden and Arkansas already beat LSU. McFadden, in my opinion, is the best player in college football. He’s a sleeker version of Adrian Peterson. The Hogs’ other back, Felix Jones, is a game-breaker, too. He averages nine yards a carry.

With McFadden occasionally lining up at quarterback, the Hogs have the most creative running game in college football. Opponents know what’s coming — Arkansas’ passing attack is horrible — but they’ve had trouble stopping McFadden and Jones all season.

The Tigers, 11-2, could throw away a tremendous season by embracing the victim mentality adopted by their fan base.

The reality is Oklahoma blitzed Missouri in the second half of the Big 12 Championship, outscoring Mizzou 24-3. Had the Tigers hung with the Sooners for four quarters and lost by a touchdown or less, the Orange Bowl might have chosen Mizzou over Kansas.

Look, Missouri had its chance to play in the BCS’ biggest game. The Tigers blew it. They have nothing to whine about. And whining won’t do them or their fans one bit of good.


MU needs to get over it and get ready for Cotton Bowl
By JASON WHITLOCK

* Missouri gets caught up in this year’s BCS storm

You just hope Chase Daniel, Martin Rucker, Gary Pinkel and the rest of the Missouri Tigers have the strength to go on living after what the mean, old BCS system did to the Tigers.

Seriously, playing on New Year’s Day, in a game that is an easy drive for most of your fans, against a beatable opponent with a Heisman Trophy candidate is the kind of crime against humanity Hollywood makes movies about.

Please bow your heads as we ask the football gods to give Pinkel and the Tigers courage as they face this major crisis, combat this terrible injustice.

Now, get over it!

The whining about Kansas’ inclusion in a BCS bowl game, the Orange Bowl, and Missouri’s relegation to the non-BCS Cotton Bowl is just the kind of unwarranted bellyaching that got Kansas State’s clock cleaned in the Alamo Bowl in 1998.

Guess what? Life isn’t fair, the bowl system isn’t perfect, and Halle Berry won’t respond to my e-mails.

There’s no crime here, only opportunity. Pinkel and Daniel get to showcase their program and talent in the fertile recruiting ground of Texas, and some 20,000 Mizzou fans will get to witness it in person.

If the Tigers head to Dallas in the right frame of mind, they’ll knock off Darren McFadden and a strong SEC opponent, finish the season ranked in the top five and kick off their 2008-09 national-title run.

If the Tigers head to Dallas believing they’ve been robbed and carrying themselves like victims, McFadden and Arkansas will create the perception that the Tigers can’t run with the big dogs, the SEC.

So stop the crying.

Missouri fans are too caught up in what Kansas got to appreciate the blessing they received. The Orange Bowl is going to be ignored. Virginia Tech is no draw this year. Va. Tech-Kansas is a terrible matchup. The handful of Kansas fans who pony up to fly to Miami will have a great time at South Beach and plenty of elbow room at game time.

In terms of building a program, Missouri’s trip to Dallas will do more for the Tigers than Kansas’ journey to Miami.

Texas reporters will shine a bright light on their hometown hero, Chase Daniel, telling his story to countless potential recruits. The Cotton Bowl isn’t the Fort Worth Bowl or the Alamo Bowl or any of the other easy-to-ignore bowl games. The Cotton has great history and prestige.

Playing Arkansas is another plus. Razorback fans will show up. The game is going to feel like a major happening.

Pinkel’s boys better hit Texas in the right frame of mind. McFadden and Arkansas already beat LSU. McFadden, in my opinion, is the best player in college football. He’s a sleeker version of Adrian Peterson. The Hogs’ other back, Felix Jones, is a game-breaker, too. He averages nine yards a carry.

With McFadden occasionally lining up at quarterback, the Hogs have the most creative running game in college football. Opponents know what’s coming — Arkansas’ passing attack is horrible — but they’ve had trouble stopping McFadden and Jones all season.

The Tigers, 11-2, could throw away a tremendous season by embracing the victim mentality adopted by their fan base.

The reality is Oklahoma blitzed Missouri in the second half of the Big 12 Championship, outscoring Mizzou 24-3. Had the Tigers hung with the Sooners for four quarters and lost by a touchdown or less, the Orange Bowl might have chosen Mizzou over Kansas.

Look, Missouri had its chance to play in the BCS’ biggest game. The Tigers blew it. They have nothing to whine about. And whining won’t do them or their fans one bit of good.

[Anyong Bluth]

In other news. OJ is still in search of Nicole Brown Simpson's killer(s)

Seriously? We know MU deserved at BCS bid. Be pissed at the process or at Illannoy... fact is that OU, MU, & KU all deserved BCS bids.

[beer bacon]

Originally Posted by Spott

I don't see a real difference in what bowl either team ends up in. Both teams exceeded expectations for this season and should be happy to be playing in New Year's day bowl games. The BCS has always been garbage, but that's nothing new. It is a downer on the sport to never really have a true champion that everyone agrees on like college basketball does, but that's the way it's always been(unfortunately).

It will be a welcome thing for me to be able to wake up on New Years day, shake off my hangover and actually have a rooting interest in a bowl game for a change.

The biggest difference is that MU will likely win their bowl game, and KU will likely get the shit pounded out of them. Missouri will end the season ranked in the top five, and KU will fall to the late teens.

MU Winning their bowl game will help them get a high ranking in next season's initial polls. In the messed up world of college football, that initial ranking actually matters since it gives those ranked teams a leg up over unranked teams.

Also, scoreboard.

[Swanman]

Originally Posted by frazod

Honestly, though, I'd rather be in my position than yours. Sure we've been slighted on a grand scale, and it sucks, but everybody knows it, and my pride in my team and sense of honor is intact.

Mizzou got the shaft simply due to timing of their last loss. The polls are skewed way too much toward timing of losses. This may be mentioned already in the thread, but if KU beat Mizzou and then lost in the Big 12 title game, then there's a decent chance Mizzou would be in the BCS, that's how reeruned the system is.

Looking forward for a second, the matchup between Mizzou and Illinois in week 1 next season could very easily be a matchup between two top 10 teams.

[bobbything]

Originally Posted by beer bacon

Missouri will end the season ranked in the top five, and KU will fall to the late teens.

What about Illinois who is already in the teens and playing, arguably, one of the three best teams in the country?

[007]

Originally Posted by frazod

I sure as hell wouldn't be on here comparing KU to OU, bragging about shit that was AT THE LEAST wrongly handed to them and AT THE MOST flat out stolen, that quite simply, utterly and absolutely NOT EARNED BY THEM ON THE FIELD.

Personally, I'd say it sucked, and beyond that, keep quiet.

If somebody handed you the greatest gift you'd ever been given, and later you found out that they stole it from somebody else, would you be proud to display it?

Damn Fraz. KU did not steal it. The BCS gave it away on the cheap. Lets not get this issue confused. You have EVERY right to be pissed but you should be pissed with the BCS for crying out loud.

[ROYC75]

Damn, this thread is back ?

[|Zach|]

Originally Posted by bobbything

What about Illinois who is already in the teens and playing, arguably, one of the three best teams in the country?

They beat a top 40 team.

[007]

Originally Posted by ROYC75

Damn, this thread is back ?

My bad. Somebody repped me and I went to see what post it was for. Then I got caught up in the craziness again.