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Old 06-10-2008, 07:52 AM   #1
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I'm really tired of people saying Herm destroyed the Chiefs' offense.

The talent was already going downhill. Solari was Carl's choice as OC.

Herm is essentially blameless for the current state of the offense. Now if we suck on offense the next three years, he gets blame.
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Old 06-10-2008, 07:55 AM   #2
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I'm really tired of people saying Herm destroyed the Chiefs' offense.

The talent was already going downhill. Solari was Carl's choice as OC.

Herm is essentially blameless for the current state of the offense. Now if we suck on offense the next three years, he gets blame.

Regardless, Herm has never had an offense during his HC career that was worth a shit anyways.. So the arguement is a moot point.
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Old 06-10-2008, 08:29 AM   #3
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I'm really tired of people saying Herm destroyed the Chiefs' offense.

The talent was already going downhill. Solari was Carl's choice as OC.

Herm is essentially blameless for the current state of the offense. Now if we suck on offense the next three years, he gets blame.
you have no credibility with your comments. One day you bash him, the next day you try to show your boss that you are on Herm's good side. If you are tired of hearing about Herm from us haters, quit coming here. There is nothing you will say that will change the more intelligent minds.
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Old 06-10-2008, 08:32 AM   #4
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you have no credibility with your comments. One day you bash him, the next day you try to show your boss that you are on Herm's good side. If you are tired of hearing about Herm from us haters, quit coming here. There is nothing you will say that will change the more intelligent minds.
Exactly right.
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Old 06-10-2008, 08:45 AM   #5
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you have no credibility with your comments. One day you bash him, the next day you try to show your boss that you are on Herm's good side.
That's a load of crap.
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Old 06-10-2008, 10:16 AM   #6
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Herm is essentially blameless for the current state of the offense. Now if we suck on offense the next three years, he gets blame.
Bullshit. He's the damned head coach. He dictated a conservative approach to the game.
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Bullshit. He's the damned head coach. He dictated a conservative approach to the game.
So? It was warranted considering the state of the line.
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So? It was warranted considering the state of the line.
God knows we don't want no circus or arena ball.
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Old 06-10-2008, 01:50 PM   #9
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God knows we don't want no circus or arena ball.
Just take a knee. It's the only safe thing to do.
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Old 06-10-2008, 10:30 AM   #10
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I'm really tired of people saying Herm destroyed the Chiefs' offense.

The talent was already going downhill. Solari was Carl's choice as OC.

Herm is essentially blameless for the current state of the offense. Now if we suck on offense the next three years, he gets blame.
Absolutely.

I hate to see Herm come to this team and try to change things, only to become the focus of fan frustration that built up for years and years before Herm was ever a part of the franchise. The guy isn't a rocket surgeon by any means, but he's trying a different approach other than what hasn't worked for the last decade.

And fans continue to point to his time with the Jets as justification for future suckatude... like people remember Belichick's record before he came to NE and changed that franchise. Not saying Herm is Bill by any means, but to say a coach can't improve because of prior coaching record is just silly.

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And this isn't saying anything towards BRC's choice to cancel his ST status. Statements like his are absolutely necessary for the future of the franchise. But to turn his ST decision into Herm bashing is unwarranted IMO.
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He's doing a pretty good job of building the team for the next guy, so at least there's that.
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Old 06-10-2008, 11:36 AM   #12
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He's doing a pretty good job of building the team for the next guy, so at least there's that.
That is what keeping alot of fans lingering around. We know that in 2010 we will have a new GM and coaching staff. This will give the Chiefs fans many reasons to celebrate and ST sales will skyrocket....
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Old 06-10-2008, 11:34 AM   #13
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Absolutely.

I hate to see Herm come to this team and try to change things, only to become the focus of fan frustration that built up for years and years before Herm was ever a part of the franchise. The guy isn't a rocket surgeon by any means, but he's trying a different approach other than what hasn't worked for the last decade.

And fans continue to point to his time with the Jets as justification for future suckatude... like people remember Belichick's record before he came to NE and changed that franchise. Not saying Herm is Bill by any means, but to say a coach can't improve because of prior coaching record is just silly.

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And this isn't saying anything towards BRC's choice to cancel his ST status. Statements like his are absolutely necessary for the future of the franchise. But to turn his ST decision into Herm bashing is unwarranted IMO.

KC Fishy, The frustration from the fans towards Herm is the fact that Herm wants to build this team into what is flustrating for the fans. This is 2008 not 1988, We want TD's not Herms Field Goal Extravaganza on game days..

We dont want to go back to the as you put it, years and years of frustration. Yet when game day arrives, we are all flustrated at the end of the day.
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Old 06-10-2008, 11:38 AM   #14
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KC Fishy, The frustration from the fans towards Herm is the fact that Herm wants to build this team into what is flustrating for the fans. This is 2008 not 1988, We want TD's not Herms Field Goal Extravaganza on game days..

We dont want to go back to the as you put it, years and years of frustration. Yet when game day arrives, we are all flustrated at the end of the day.
Even in 1988 they didn't take a knee with 1 1/2 minutes left in the half.
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KC Fishy, The frustration from the fans towards Herm is the fact that Herm wants to build this team into what is flustrating for the fans. This is 2008 not 1988, We want TD's not Herms Field Goal Extravaganza on game days..

We dont want to go back to the as you put it, years and years of frustration. Yet when game day arrives, we are all flustrated at the end of the day.
Herm wants to build this team into a young physical no-gimmick offense that practices ball control with a stuff-it-down-the-throat running game and balanced passing game. Herm and Chan have both said they will adapt the offense to the abilities of the players we have, instead of making them play a style of offense that doesn't suit the players' strong points. Are you saying the fans are frustrated with that? If so... why?

I find it mind boggling that fans honestly think Herm would rather have field goals than a touchdown. Playing ball control, field position offense is not equivalent to a Field Goal Extravaganza.
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