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Old 06-09-2008, 03:42 PM  
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After being on the season ticket waiting list for 4 years I finally became a season ticket holder in 1996. Back then 3 season tickets cost me $1,113. This year’s bill was $2,604. By the time you tally in parking, gas to and from the games the yearly bill easily exceeds $3,000. That doesn’t even include tailgating supplies or anything bought inside the stadium. With that kind of money I could plan a major family vacation, house improvements, and provide additional funds for college etc.etc. Spending $3,000 for something that has lost its value just doesn’t make sense to me anymore.

I’m sure that the season ticket prices will continue to go up at a rate higher than inflation and with the re-opening of the “new” Arrowhead really escalate in price. I’m not having a financial hardship. I’m still way over paid for the work that I do. There is no reason to doubt that in the future that my pay scale will continue upward. So I can afford the season tickets even the club level seats if I so chose to do so. It’s just that I don’t think it’s a good value for my family anymore.

When I have to pay for 2 pre-season games (close to $500.00) that are glorified practices it reduces the value of being a season ticket holder. I’m now unable to sell my tickets at face value to anyone. Sometimes I can’t even give them away for free. That decreases the value of being a season ticket holder.

When I try to upgrade my seats to a better location I’m told that there are no real upgrades available. I feel this is because of the Wolf pack Club program that saves lower level seats and premium upper level seats for new season ticket holders. You can pay $400 - $500 a year to join the “club” and you jump in front of me. 12 years of season tickets are worth $400 to the Chiefs. How many $1,000’s have I spent on pre-season games and down year games? Again this has de-valued being a season ticket holder.

I love tailgating. I love seeing old friends and meeting new ones on game days. The game day experience no matter if the Chiefs win or lose is always an excellent time. Year after year I have seen some hard core long time season ticket holders give up their tickets. This has taken a toll on the fervor of the fans inside Arrowhead.

These hard core fans have been replaced by people seeking social time with friends and family, co-workers and businesses rewarding employees. They love their pre-game tents with the no fuss ready to eat buffets. They will really love the new club level. Nothing wrong with this new social dynamic except that a by product of this is that they are not as committed to the team and making Arrowhead the loudest stadium in the NFL as were the fans that they replaced. And that decreases the value and fun of being a season ticket holder.

Maybe if I had no faith in King Carl to rebuild our team I’d still see a value in being a season ticket holder. King Carl deserves to be in the KC Chiefs HOF. He is directly responsible for making the Arrowhead game day experience one of the best if not the best in the NFL. But his arrogance has also brought the Chiefs down to levels that have been shameful and very distasteful to experience as a Chiefs fan.

King Carl has had 19 years to get this right but he still can’t admit mistakes. His failure to evaluate talent is why we are in the current re-building mode. His time as GM should have been up a long time ago. I feel that he has stayed on as GM because of the great business skills he has and the profit he makes for the franchise. I believe King Carl wants to win as much as any of the NFL GM’s, he just doesn’t know how. After 19 years its time to give someone else a chance.

One of the benefits of being a season ticket holder is keeping the same tickets for playoff games. One playoff game at Arrowhead in 10 years doesn’t increase the value of being a season ticket holder.

I’m optimistic about the future. The last 2 drafts have given us fans hope. I’ll still go to the games. I’ll just cherry pick the games. Home opener, Broncos, Raiders etc. Maybe in a couple of years from now when we are good again I’ll see the value in being a season ticket holder. I can just buy the rights to someone’s seat with the $6,000 that I saved from not giving that money to the Chiefs front office for 2 years. I’ll always be a Chiefs fan and shall cheer no other. It’s just that the majority of the time I’ll be doing that cheering in front of a big screen TV.
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Old 06-10-2008, 08:44 PM   #91
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Old 06-10-2008, 10:19 PM   #92
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I'm really tired of people saying Herm destroyed the Chiefs' offense.

The talent was already going downhill. Solari was Carl's choice as OC.

Herm is essentially blameless for the current state of the offense. Now if we suck on offense the next three years, he gets blame.
OK, Clayton, I'll play. Do you know when I stopped liking Herman ****ING Edwards?

It was the Indy game last year. Tie ball game 4 minutes left. Its 3rd and 12. Herman ****ING Edwards runs a goddamned mother****ing DRAW PLAY for 2 yards. 2 mother ****ing yards!!! TWO! Jesus ****ing Christ!!!! Herman ****ING Edwards decided to PUNT to PEYTON MANNING with the game on the line. You have to at least TRY to get a first down. You have to. As a result, Peyton then did what Peyton does and took the clock down to nothing and won the ballgame.

That is a bullshit play call and everyone in the NFL knows it except for Herman ****ING Edwards. You have to at least TRY to win the ballgame. You've got a young kid with a rocket arm, A badass WR that will fight for the ball and a HOF TE. See what the kid can do. If he gets a sack, so what? Tell Colquit to kick it further. YOU HAVE TO TRY. There isn't a defense in the NFL that I would be comfortable punting to Peyton Manning with the game on the line. Not one. ESPECIALLY not ours. The D had played admirably to that point, but you just can't expect a D to hold that kind of offensive machine. Its not fair to them and especially not fair to the offense that you won't even try!

Those things you say are true, but this team cannot win if Herm continues to play beyond-conservative football. I don't care how well he drafts, plays the young kids, gives cliche answers in press conferences, if he won't nut up and try to win a ballgame, this team is going ****ing NOWHERE.

That is why I don't like Herman ****ING Edwards and do not trust him with the offense.

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Old 06-10-2008, 10:33 PM   #93
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OK, Clayton, I'll play. Do you know when I stopped liking Herman ****ING Edwards?

It was the Indy game last year. Tie ball game 4 minutes left. Its 3rd and 12. Herman ****ING Edwards runs a goddamned mother****ing DRAW PLAY for 2 yards. 2 mother ****ing yards!!! TWO! Jesus ****ing Christ!!!! Herman ****ING Edwards decided to PUNT to PEYTON MANNING with the game on the line. You have to at least TRY to get a first down. You have to. As a result, Peyton then did what Peyton does and took the clock down to nothing and won the ballgame.

That is a bullshit play call and everyone in the NFL knows it except for Herman ****ING Edwards. You have to at least TRY to win the ballgame. You've got a young kid with a rocket arm, A badass WR that will fight for the ball and a HOF TE. See what the kid can do. If he gets a sack, so what? Tell Colquit to kick it further. YOU HAVE TO TRY. There isn't a defense in the NFL that I would be comfortable punting to Peyton Manning with the game on the line. Not one. ESPECIALLY not ours. The D had played admirably to that point, but you just can't expect a D to hold that kind of offensive machine. Its not fair to them and especially not fair to the offense that you won't even try!

Those things you say are true, but this team cannot win if Herm continues to play beyond-conservative football. I don't care how well he drafts, plays the young kids, gives cliche answers in press conferences, if he won't nut up and try to win a ballgame, this team is going ****ing NOWHERE.

That is why I don't like Herman ****ING Edwards and do not trust him with the offense.

JMO
Ok, this is a fair enough criticism. Pretty dumb to try and play it safe with Peyton on the other sideline.
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Old 06-10-2008, 10:35 PM   #94
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OK, Clayton, I'll play. Do you know when I stopped liking Herman ****ING Edwards?

It was the Indy game last year. Tie ball game 4 minutes left. Its 3rd and 12. Herman ****ING Edwards runs a goddamned mother****ing DRAW PLAY for 2 yards. 2 mother ****ing yards!!! TWO! Jesus ****ing Christ!!!! Herman ****ING Edwards decided to PUNT to PEYTON MANNING with the game on the line. You have to at least TRY to get a first down. You have to. As a result, Peyton then did what Peyton does and took the clock down to nothing and won the ballgame.

That is a bullshit play call and everyone in the NFL knows it except for Herman ****ING Edwards. You have to at least TRY to win the ballgame. You've got a young kid with a rocket arm, A badass WR that will fight for the ball and a HOF TE. See what the kid can do. If he gets a sack, so what? Tell Colquit to kick it further. YOU HAVE TO TRY. There isn't a defense in the NFL that I would be comfortable punting to Peyton Manning with the game on the line. Not one. ESPECIALLY not ours. The D had played admirably to that point, but you just can't expect a D to hold that kind of offensive machine. Its not fair to them and especially not fair to the offense that you won't even try!

Those things you say are true, but this team cannot win if Herm continues to play beyond-conservative football. I don't care how well he drafts, plays the young kids, gives cliche answers in press conferences, if he won't nut up and try to win a ballgame, this team is going ****ing NOWHERE.

That is why I don't like Herman ****ING Edwards and do not trust him with the offense.

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Old 06-10-2008, 11:55 PM   #95
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OK, Clayton, I'll play. Do you know when I stopped liking Herman ****ING Edwards?

It was the Indy game last year. Tie ball game 4 minutes left. Its 3rd and 12. Herman ****ING Edwards runs a goddamned mother****ing DRAW PLAY for 2 yards. 2 mother ****ing yards!!! TWO! Jesus ****ing Christ!!!! Herman ****ING Edwards decided to PUNT to PEYTON MANNING with the game on the line. You have to at least TRY to get a first down. You have to. As a result, Peyton then did what Peyton does and took the clock down to nothing and won the ballgame.

That is a bullshit play call and everyone in the NFL knows it except for Herman ****ING Edwards. You have to at least TRY to win the ballgame. You've got a young kid with a rocket arm, A badass WR that will fight for the ball and a HOF TE. See what the kid can do. If he gets a sack, so what? Tell Colquit to kick it further. YOU HAVE TO TRY. There isn't a defense in the NFL that I would be comfortable punting to Peyton Manning with the game on the line. Not one. ESPECIALLY not ours. The D had played admirably to that point, but you just can't expect a D to hold that kind of offensive machine. Its not fair to them and especially not fair to the offense that you won't even try!

Those things you say are true, but this team cannot win if Herm continues to play beyond-conservative football. I don't care how well he drafts, plays the young kids, gives cliche answers in press conferences, if he won't nut up and try to win a ballgame, this team is going ****ing NOWHERE.

That is why I don't like Herman ****ING Edwards and do not trust him with the offense.

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Exactly right. Herm is not a Head Coach. He needs to be a scout type guy.
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Old 06-11-2008, 12:53 AM   #96
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OK, Clayton, I'll play. Do you know when I stopped liking Herman ****ING Edwards?

It was the Indy game last year. Tie ball game 4 minutes left. Its 3rd and 12. Herman ****ING Edwards runs a goddamned mother****ing DRAW PLAY for 2 yards. 2 mother ****ing yards!!! TWO! Jesus ****ing Christ!!!! Herman ****ING Edwards decided to PUNT to PEYTON MANNING with the game on the line. You have to at least TRY to get a first down. You have to. As a result, Peyton then did what Peyton does and took the clock down to nothing and won the ballgame.

That is a bullshit play call and everyone in the NFL knows it except for Herman ****ING Edwards. You have to at least TRY to win the ballgame. You've got a young kid with a rocket arm, A badass WR that will fight for the ball and a HOF TE. See what the kid can do. If he gets a sack, so what? Tell Colquit to kick it further. YOU HAVE TO TRY. There isn't a defense in the NFL that I would be comfortable punting to Peyton Manning with the game on the line. Not one. ESPECIALLY not ours. The D had played admirably to that point, but you just can't expect a D to hold that kind of offensive machine. Its not fair to them and especially not fair to the offense that you won't even try!

Those things you say are true, but this team cannot win if Herm continues to play beyond-conservative football. I don't care how well he drafts, plays the young kids, gives cliche answers in press conferences, if he won't nut up and try to win a ballgame, this team is going ****ing NOWHERE.

That is why I don't like Herman ****ING Edwards and do not trust him with the offense.

JMO
Yeah. Nice post.

Unlike all the other sheep around here, I don't think Brodie Croyle has proven jackshit. He hasn't proven in more than 6 games that he can "laser" a ball in the right place under pressure, he hasn't proven he can lead a team to victory and he hasn't proven that he's worth more than a pimple on my ****ing ass.

Herm Edwards conservative coaching is what kept the Chiefs in the game.

Though I'm sure that all you whiney ass dumb ****ing bitches would have liked it better if the Chiefs had lost 49-0.
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Old 06-11-2008, 01:53 AM   #97
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Old 06-11-2008, 02:16 AM   #98
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Well if you want to give tickets away, I'll gladly take them off your hands. Also by the sound of the of this letter you sound pretty wealthy, you make a little donation to another Chiefs fan
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Old 06-11-2008, 07:24 AM   #99
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Yeah. Nice post.

Unlike all the other sheep around here, I don't think Brodie Croyle has proven jackshit. He hasn't proven in more than 6 games that he can "laser" a ball in the right place under pressure, he hasn't proven he can lead a team to victory and he hasn't proven that he's worth more than a pimple on my ****ing ass.

Herm Edwards conservative coaching is what kept the Chiefs in the game.

Though I'm sure that all you whiney ass dumb ****ing bitches would have liked it better if the Chiefs had lost 49-0.
I didn't say anything about the rest of the game. But Peyton Manning wins games. You don't just concede to punt to him on third down with the game on the line. Early in the game, yeah, you need to punt, but you can't run a ****ing draw play on third down just so you can get your punter 2 yards closer. Holy shit.

And part of the reason Brodie hasn't shown shit is because Herm won't ****ing let him. We might know something about the kid if he would have put him in a position to win the game. If he blows, then we would know that he had a throw when the pressure was on and blew it. But you have to try. You just have to. I certainly understand your point about putting a lot on a young kid, especially in his first start, but you gotta find out sometime, and you can't expect the D to hold up to the Peyton Manning war machine. There is a time to be conservative, and there is a time to let your guys win (or lose) the game.
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Old 06-11-2008, 07:52 AM   #100
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Yeah. Nice post.

Unlike all the other sheep around here, I don't think Brodie Croyle has proven jackshit. He hasn't proven in more than 6 games that he can "laser" a ball in the right place under pressure, he hasn't proven he can lead a team to victory and he hasn't proven that he's worth more than a pimple on my ****ing ass.

Herm Edwards conservative coaching is what kept the Chiefs in the game.

Though I'm sure that all you whiney ass dumb ****ing bitches would have liked it better if the Chiefs had lost 49-0.
Who the **** cares if Brodie Croyle has proven anything?

His post wasn't about Croyle you useless ****ing dumbass.

It was about making the attempt to win a game, and the fact that Herman ****ing Edwards made an attempt to not lose.
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Old 06-11-2008, 07:59 AM   #101
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Am I the only one happy to see this finally happen. With the TeePee calling it quits and now BRC folding up the tailgate I will now live longer. It took away many years of my life dancing at the Teepee getting to the point of almost a heart attack, then being topped off by having to walk 20 feet and BRC giving me a "HEART ATTACK ON A BUN." Not to mention BRC giving me the biggest man hugs, I actually know what it feels like to be a pimple being popped cause of these.

In all serious, BRC with you the Tee Pee calling it quits, Weirdwolf retiring and Elvis making the same decsion you have, has completely blown Lot C up into also nothing. You were a huge part of what made that area the very best in the area of tailgating/party in the whole NFL and I've been to 24 NFL stadiums to justify that comment. There was not a better time anywhere in the NFL. Like I told WeirdWolf, go recharge those batteries, relight that fire and we will hold the fort down. In the meantime I will work on my spandex figure walking aimlessly through the parking lot trying to find "THE PARTY" but nothing will every compare to the one you helped make. You defiently will have to give me a hugs to make up for the ones I don't get every game you do decide to come to.
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It's hard for me to believe that you've been a season ticket holder since 96, yet now is the time you are deciding to give them up. After the last two drafts and our obvious emphasis on youth, this is an exciting time to be a Chiefs fan. No, we're probably not going to win anything this year, but we're rebuilding the right way and it should pay dividends in the future.

If it's a financial decision then I certainly understand your point. Ticket prices have been going up drastically for some time all around the league. That said, it's simple supply and demand, and if you don't pay then apparently someone else will. So, while I definitely understand your dissatisfaction on this issue, I can also see the organization's side as well.
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OK, Clayton, I'll play. Do you know when I stopped liking Herman ****ING Edwards?

It was the Indy game last year. Tie ball game 4 minutes left. Its 3rd and 12. Herman ****ING Edwards runs a goddamned mother****ing DRAW PLAY for 2 yards. 2 mother ****ing yards!!! TWO! Jesus ****ing Christ!!!! Herman ****ING Edwards decided to PUNT to PEYTON MANNING with the game on the line. You have to at least TRY to get a first down. You have to. As a result, Peyton then did what Peyton does and took the clock down to nothing and won the ballgame.

That is a bullshit play call and everyone in the NFL knows it except for Herman ****ING Edwards. You have to at least TRY to win the ballgame. You've got a young kid with a rocket arm, A badass WR that will fight for the ball and a HOF TE. See what the kid can do. If he gets a sack, so what? Tell Colquit to kick it further. YOU HAVE TO TRY. There isn't a defense in the NFL that I would be comfortable punting to Peyton Manning with the game on the line. Not one. ESPECIALLY not ours. The D had played admirably to that point, but you just can't expect a D to hold that kind of offensive machine. Its not fair to them and especially not fair to the offense that you won't even try!

Those things you say are true, but this team cannot win if Herm continues to play beyond-conservative football. I don't care how well he drafts, plays the young kids, gives cliche answers in press conferences, if he won't nut up and try to win a ballgame, this team is going ****ing NOWHERE.

That is why I don't like Herman ****ING Edwards and do not trust him with the offense.

JMO
Herman ****ING Edwards didn't call a draw play. Mike ****ing Solari did. Mike ****ing Solari was the offensive coordinator. You know... the offensive coordinator guy that calls offensive plays.... Mike ****ing Solari... who was fired after the season for making those kinds of offensive calls?



And the defense had just as much to do with that loss as anything. They had a chance to put the game away, and they blew it hard. Your excuse that there wasn't a defense that could stop Peyton is utter BS. Not fair to the defense to be expected to make a team punt? Sounds like a Vermeil attitude.
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Old 06-11-2008, 08:24 AM   #104
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Old 06-11-2008, 08:28 AM   #105
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Herman ****ING Edwards didn't call a draw play. Mike ****ing Solari did. Mike ****ing Solari was the offensive coordinator. You know... the offensive coordinator guy that calls offensive plays.... Mike ****ing Solari... who was fired after the season for making those kinds of offensive calls?



And the defense had just as much to do with that loss as anything. They had a chance to put the game away, and they blew it hard. Your excuse that there wasn't a defense that could stop Peyton is utter BS. Not fair to the defense to be expected to make a team punt? Sounds like a Vermeil attitude.
Actually to be honest we don't know who called that play.

Solari could have called something else and Herm over rides that call with a play of his own.

Solari couldn't be THAT stupid to run a draw like that with the game on the line. He's been in the NFL too long to know that.
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