Brian Orakpo makes his case:

[talastan]

I had already posted in the draftplanet forum but thought this would be something everyone would want to see here in the Lounge. Wow big, big man.

[triple]

it might be smart to move down 5 picks or so and grab him along with a 2nd rounder.

the more first day draft picks we can inject into this team, the better chance we have to turn things around with so many holes, and obviously our pass rush is probably our greatest need

[Reerun_KC]

Originally Posted by triple

it might be smart to move down 5 picks or so and grab him along with a 2nd rounder.

the more first day draft picks we can inject into this team, the better chance we have to turn things around with so many holes, and obviously our pass rush is probably our greatest need

How many first day picks do we have to inject into this DL before Herm finally gets it right?

[triple]

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

How many first day picks do we have to inject into this DL before Herm finally gets it right?

depends on if Hali, Tyler, McBride develop. i think the defense and the defensive line are poorly coached.

but guys like Boone, Babin, and Edwards are still getting a lot of snaps. for injury or because vets are in there part of the time or for whatever reason the youngsters aren't developing

[raybec 4]

Originally Posted by B_Ambuehl

From a drafting standpoint that's not necessarily a positive thing because there's a lot less upside physically. Jared Allen was weaker then a lot of DBs coming out of college and the fact that he had a lot of room for physical improvemenet was a big part of his upside.

So are you saying it wouldn't be good to draft him because he's too physically gifted?

[talastan]

Originally Posted by B_Ambuehl

From a drafting standpoint that's not necessarily a positive thing because there's a lot less upside physically. Jared Allen was weaker then a lot of DBs coming out of college and the fact that he had a lot of room for physical improvemenet was a big part of his upside.

Yes, except that the kid is a proven playmaker and game changer. He has had several tackles for loss, double digit sacks against very mobile Big 12 QBs and if you watch some of his film highlights you can see he has good vision for where the ball is and getting there. I like him and hope he is there personally when we pick.

[angelo]

I believe that Vernon Gholston was a work out warrior and described as a beast also.

I have some reservations.

Ang

[BigChiefFan]

I listed him as our first overall pick-he reminds me alot of Michael Strahan.

[MIAdragon]

Originally Posted by B_Ambuehl

From a drafting standpoint that's not necessarily a positive thing because there's a lot less upside physically. Jared Allen was weaker then a lot of DBs coming out of college and the fact that he had a lot of room for physical improvemenet was a big part of his upside.

LoL how much MORE "upside" do you want? If the guy is physically ready for the NFL its a bad thing?

[Fish]

It's hard to judge a college DLineman because of the big difference in opposing offensive lineman at the NFL level compared to college. You have to rely so much on judging potential, because all but the best once-a-decade college linemen have to relearn their position when they get to the pros. They find that they can't rely on raw talent anymore like they could in college. And lots of very talented guys can't take that last step needed to dominate at the NFL level.

Orakpo looks good now, but I'm still hesitant...

[Reerun_KC]

Originally Posted by KC Fish

It's hard to judge a college DLineman because of the big difference in opposing offensive lineman at the NFL level compared to college. You have to rely so much on judging potential, because all but the best once-a-decade college linemen have to relearn their position when they get to the pros. They find that they can't rely on raw talent anymore like they could in college. And lots of very talented guys can't take that last step needed to dominate at the NFL level.

Orakpo looks good now, but I'm still hesitant...

Would you be hesitant with a new coaching staff from top to bottom?

[BigChiefFan]

Originally Posted by KC Fish

It's hard to judge a college DLineman because of the big difference in opposing offensive lineman at the NFL level compared to college. You have to rely so much on judging potential, because all but the best once-a-decade college linemen have to relearn their position when they get to the pros. They find that they can't rely on raw talent anymore like they could in college. And lots of very talented guys can't take that last step needed to dominate at the NFL level.

Orakpo looks good now, but I'm still hesitant...

OU has some O-lineman that will be going in this year's draft-I would say that's a decent indicator of his skillset, going against those guys.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

OU has some O-lineman that will be going in this year's draft-I would say that's a decent indicator of his skillset, going against those guys.

Looks like he raped thier OT on a many number of plays watching that vid earlier. Seems to be a mighty fine prospect.

[Sully]

Yes, please.

[Demonpenz]

what is his nfl equivilant Matthias kiwinuka?

[BigChiefFan]

Originally Posted by PGM

Looks like he raped thier OT on a many number of plays watching that vid earlier. Seems to be a mighty fine prospect.

He's a damn good prospect, who has yet to hit his ceiling. Again, I think he has Michael Strahan type talent. He's also PASSIONATE about football. As of now, he's considered a top 5 prospect-we'll have to pull the trigger early, if this is who we want. I'd love to have the franchise QB, but Orakpo would make a nice addition, as well and I certainly won't be disappointed, In fact, I think Stafford drops some and we might be able to add BOTH players, if we get creative.