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Old 01-16-2009, 03:26 PM   #1
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Gunther can be a competent D-coordinator again if not saddled by this garbage Cover-Who defense.

It'll be interesting to see how it shakes out. My bet is that he performs admirably and it shows to be a damning indictment of both Herm Edwards and this stupid defense he runs.
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Old 01-16-2009, 03:33 PM   #2
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Gunther can be a competent D-coordinator again if not saddled by this garbage Cover-Who defense.
Really? As effective as he was when he wasn't saddled with it during the Vermeil years, or was able to run his own defense without anyone interfering during his head coaching days?

Man I can't wait for Gun to get canned...
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Old 01-16-2009, 03:37 PM   #3
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Really? As effective as he was when he wasn't saddled with it during the Vermeil years, or was able to run his own defense without anyone interfering during his head coaching days?

Man I can't wait for Gun to get canned...
He legitimately had no talent on those Vermeil teams.

I think he's an average to slightly above average D-coordinator when put in a situation where he can shape his defense (and not try to contort it to the whims of a !@#$tard head coach).
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Old 01-16-2009, 03:37 PM   #4
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He legitimately had no talent on those Vermeil teams.

I think he's an average to slightly above average D-coordinator when put in a situation where he can shape his defense (and not try to contort it to the whims of a !@#$tard head coach).
Because Detroit has a whole LOT of talent waiting for him.
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Old 01-16-2009, 03:39 PM   #5
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He legitimately had no talent on those Vermeil teams.

I think he's an average to slightly above average D-coordinator when put in a situation where he can shape his defense (and not try to contort it to the whims of a !@#$tard head coach).
He took over Greg Robinson's defense with the same talent, and the results were WORSE in 2004 than they were 2003.

I'm stunned actually. Only thing I can think of is what I mentioned earlier -- that Schwartz knows that all Gun is good for is motivating the players, and that Schwartz himself will be the brains behind the operation. Like when Marty and Gun were here.
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Old 01-16-2009, 03:39 PM   #6
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He legitimately had no talent on those Vermeil teams.

I think he's an average to slightly above average D-coordinator when put in a situation where he can shape his defense (and not try to contort it to the whims of a !@#$tard head coach).
Maybe.

But it takes a special type of talent to be the man who ultimately oversees a defense, which has been the focal point of FA dollars and day-one draft picks, that records 10 sacks. Total. For the mother****ing season.
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Old 01-16-2009, 03:40 PM   #7
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I think he's an average to slightly above average D-coordinator when put in a situation where he can shape his defense (and not try to contort it to the whims of a !@#$tard head coach).
He's a coordinator that can look competent if he has a hall of fame pass rush and good starting corners. Which makes him indistinguishable from 99% of the other defensive coaches in the NFL.

This is nepotism, nothing else. The good ol' boy network at its finest. Once you get into the league, you coach for life.
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Old 01-16-2009, 04:30 PM   #8
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He legitimately had no talent on those Vermeil teams.

I think he's an average to slightly above average D-coordinator when put in a situation where he can shape his defense (and not try to contort it to the whims of a !@#$tard head coach).
Well remember, Gun is the one that went to Carl with his "list" and then proclaimed, publicly, that Carl went out and got him every single player he needed to turn the defense around. Kendrell Bell was all Gun. And the results? You know the results. This was not about being handcuffed. If anything, Vermeil was handcuffed by Carl in terms of forcing Gun onto him.

And remember, Gun was out there throwing Vermeil under the bus and saying how it was great to be coaching for Herm, and went out and even got himself some new assistants to work with. He still sucked.

The only way Gun can be successful is if someone tough like Fischer or Marty hands him an already molded D and tells him to go call plays with those guys. Most coaches would be successful with the James Hasty's and the DT's and the Neil Smiths of the world. The issue comes in two, three years into his tenure, where the players start losing their discipline and accountability and he brings in misidentified talent because he thinks he can mold anyone into a football player. Chester McGlockton was all Gun convincing Marty and Carl that he could light a fire under Chet's butt.

At the end of the day, Gun sucks...
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Well remember, Gun is the one that went to Carl with his "list" and then proclaimed, publicly, that Carl went out and got him every single player he needed to turn the defense around. Kendrell Bell was all Gun. And the results? You know the results. This was not about being handcuffed. If anything, Vermeil was handcuffed by Carl in terms of forcing Gun onto him.

And remember, Gun was out there throwing Vermeil under the bus and saying how it was great to be coaching for Herm, and went out and even got himself some new assistants to work with. He still sucked.

The only way Gun can be successful is if someone tough like Fischer or Marty hands him an already molded D and tells him to go call plays with those guys. Most coaches would be successful with the James Hasty's and the DT's and the Neil Smiths of the world. The issue comes in two, three years into his tenure, where the players start losing their discipline and accountability and he brings in misidentified talent because he thinks he can mold anyone into a football player. Chester McGlockton was all Gun convincing Marty and Carl that he could light a fire under Chet's butt.

At the end of the day, Gun sucks...
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