Todd Haley bandwagon

[FringeNC]

He's my new favorite to be our next HC. He's part of the Parcells / Belichick coaching tree, and he's still available.

Young, aggressive offensive coordinator. Perfect for us.

[eazyb81]

Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk

It was one guy...I point fingers at Boldin....he has been unhappy for a while now ever since he hasn't received the big money he wants. Now if Fitzgerald was mouthing off....then yeah...I would point fingers at Haley. But in this instance, Fitz had 3 touchdowns and I dont think Boldin liked not being in the spotlight.

As for the Cowboys...well that whole team is/was/has been dysfunctional for some time now...so I'm not touching that.

What about when Warner was yapping at him early in the game on the sideline? It wasn't as hostile as the Boldin situation appeared, but I can't imagine a player doing that to, say, Belichick.

[Mr_Tomahawk]

Originally Posted by eazyb81

What about when Warner was yapping at him early in the game on the sideline? It wasn't as hostile as the Boldin situation appeared, but I can't imagine a player doing that to, say, Belichick.

Ya I remember seeing that....I don't feel either of them were as animated as you said compared to the Boldin incident. I didn't read into it that much, viewed it as them yelling over the crowd noise...

Emotions are high during their first NFC Championship game ever, and in the end it was the Offense that put together a well orchestrated drive to win them the game. I didn't consciously pay much attention to the Cards offensive coaching this year, but I don't recall hearing about any issues. eh...who knows..

[FringeNC]

Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk

It was one guy...I point fingers at Boldin....he has been unhappy for a while now ever since he hasn't received the big money he wants. Now if Fitzgerald was mouthing off....then yeah...I would point fingers at Haley. But in this instance, Fitz had 3 touchdowns and I dont think Boldin liked not being in the spotlight.

As for the Cowboys...well that whole team is/was/has been dysfunctional for some time now...so I'm not touching that.

It's irrelevant anyway. Scott Pioli is not Jerry Jones. No player insubordination is going to be tolerated under Pioli. That's the New England way, and that's way Pioli meant when he said the roster isn't going to be the best 53, but the right 53.

[Mr_Tomahawk]

Originally Posted by FringeNC

It's irrelevant anyway. Scott Pioli is not Jerry Jones. No player insubordination is going to be tolerated under Pioli. That's the New England way, and that's way Pioli meant when he said the roster isn't going to be the best 53, but the right 53.

...Yup...I love it too...get LJ outta here.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Todd Haley wasn't very well liked when he coached the WR's in Dallas either.....

Being concerned about his relationship with players is a legit concern, as far as I know in his stays he's had numerous problems and spats with players.

Yes. We have to stop evaluating coaches based on their X's and O's. It's important, but the #1 thing you can do is know how to manage a team, a game, and your coaches, as well as how to be the face of the organization. It's the absolute most important quality of a team.

Case-in-point... Tomlin is a defensive guy and his specialty is the Tampa 2, but he has Lebeau and Arenas to do all the dirty work. But yet, he's a hell of a coach. Why? Because he knows how to lead.

[EyePod]

I don't know if this is a good thing for a coach though:

"Just the emotions of the game," Haley said. "We're emotional guys. Like I said, I wear my heart on my sleeve and that's the way I go about business and I have to deal with that on a full-time basis."

(He's talking about Boldin)

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playof...ory?id=3843834

[Reerun_KC]

Originally Posted by EyePod

I don't know if this is a good thing for a coach though:

"Just the emotions of the game," Haley said. "We're emotional guys. Like I said, I wear my heart on my sleeve and that's the way I go about business and I have to deal with that on a full-time basis."

(He's talking about Boldin)

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playof...ory?id=3843834

sounds like Gunther, but on offense...

[DaWolf]

This move would not excite me at all. I wouldn't see it as much of an upgrade over a Herm type. Doesn't strike me as a dynamic enough personality. I'm not sure I'd fall in love with a guy as a candidate based on a single playoff run with a QB and WR who got hot at the right time. Coaching in this division and in the KC weather is a different beast, and running your own team is a different thing in itself.

That said, whoever Pioli ultimately decides will be a good match to his personality and philosophy, I'll support. I'm going to give Pioli five years to built this team into a perennial winner...

[FringeNC]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Yes. We have to stop evaluating coaches based on their X's and O's. It's important, but the #1 thing you can do is know how to manage a team, a game, and your coaches, as well as how to be the face of the organization. It's the absolute most important quality of a team.

I think Pioli wants an Xs and Os guy. We're going to try to be New England West, with disciplined, smart football players who don't need constant hand-holding by the head coach.

I could be wrong -- we could retain Herm Edwards, or hire someone similar -- but I doubt it.

[Mr_Tomahawk]

Originally Posted by FringeNC

I think Pioli wants an Xs and Os guy. We're going to try to be New England West, with disciplined, smart football players who don't need constant hand-holding by the head coach.

I could be wrong -- we could retain Herm Edwards, or hire someone similar -- but I doubt it.

Sorry...I'm confused, Do you doubt you're wrong? Do you doubt we will retain Hermroid? ....or do you doubt we will hire someone similar?

[eazyb81]

Further insight on the Boldin situation (what a selfish fuck):

He tried to ruin the Super Bowl celebration with his childishness.

In the game, Boldin got into a heated argument with offensive coordinator Todd Haley. After the game, instead of celebrating with his team, Boldin abruptly left the field, then abruptly left the locker room.

It was awful behavior.

Quarterback Kurt Warner also got into an argument with Haley during the game but you didn't see Warner acting like a petulant child afterwards. He celebrated with his teammates and enjoyed the moment.

I have to say in nearly 20 years of doing this, I've never seen a player more concerned about his arguing with a coach over making a Super Bowl.

What Boldin did almost never happens.

Congratulations on making history, Anquan.

http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/e...64363/13040597



Haley's brief discussion about it after the game:

Not everyone was congratulating offensive coordinator Todd Haley on his play calling Sunday.

On the team's game-winning drive, the television broadcast showed receiver Anquan Boldin in a heated exchange with Haley.

Boldin declined comment about it after the game, and Haley called it "a heat of the moment" situation.

"We changed personnel groups out there and I put Steve Breaston in for (Boldin)," Haley said, "and he was upset about it."

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/card...t-cardsnb.html

[EyePod]

Originally Posted by DaWolf

This move would not excite me at all. I wouldn't see it as much of an upgrade over a Herm type. Doesn't strike me as a dynamic enough personality. I'm not sure I'd fall in love with a guy as a candidate based on a single playoff run with a QB and WR who got hot at the right time. Coaching in this division and in the KC weather is a different beast, and running your own team is a different thing in itself.

That said, whoever Pioli ultimately decides will be a good match to his personality and philosophy, I'll support. I'm going to give Pioli five years to built this team into a perennial winner...

Don't be an idiot. Larry Fitz didn't "get hot at the right time." He's amazing, always has been amazing, and is just finally getting recognition for what he's deserved throughout his career..

[EyePod]

Originally Posted by eazyb81

http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/e...64363/13040597

I agree with this, but I think that it's just a fanblog, and not anyone of consequence.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by FringeNC

I think Pioli wants an Xs and Os guy. We're going to try to be New England West, with disciplined, smart football players who don't need constant hand-holding by the head coach.

I could be wrong -- we could retain Herm Edwards, or hire someone similar -- but I doubt it.

I don't doubt that it's important, but it's overrated. You can be a really solid fundamentals football coach even if you don't have outstanding football intelligence. But I think it's more important that the coach set the tone. He needs to demand hard-nose football, but let's face it--these days, the coordinators are the ones that are calling the plays and the assistant coaches are the ones working directly with the players. A head coach simply does not have enough arms, legs, and brains to individually coach everybody.

Now, I know football doesn't always copy the real world, but in the real world, the best managers are the ones that know how to delegate and know how to work with people. There are a ton of super-talented people who never succeed because they insist on taking everything themself because they don't trust others to do their job. And so, like any management position, the head coach's job isn't to sit down and write up creative plays and coach players individually himself. It is his job to make sure that all pieces of the team are operating well.

He has to know the X's and O's and he has to know fundamentals, but it's far more important that he know how to manage people who can do it.

[Frankie]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Todd Haley wasn't very well liked when he coached the WR's in Dallas either.....

Being concerned about his relationship with players is a legit concern, as far as I know in his stays he's had numerous problems and spats with players.

And the lawsuit thing does not really help my confidence about his personality.