Chiefs Whitlock: Chiefs’ All-Pro guard Waters wants out of Kansas City - Page 10

**Tribal Warfare** · 02-27-2009, 12:06 AM

Chiefs’ All-Pro guard Waters wants out of Kansas City
By JASON WHITLOCK
The Kansas City Star

Chiefs Pro Bowl guard Brian Waters asked the organization Thursday to release or trade him this offseason, according to a source with knowledge of the situation.

Waters asked for his release two days after a brief meeting with new head coach Todd Haley and after being told by first-time general manager Scott Pioli that he had no interest in meeting with Waters, the source said.

Waters, according to the source, was offended and shocked by the arrogance of Haley and Pioli. Waters’ meeting with Haley and follow-up phone conversations confirmed in the nine-year vet’s mind that the negative reports about Haley that he heard from Arizona Cardinals players while at the Pro Bowl were accurate, according to the source.

The Cardinals players told Waters and tight end Tony Gonzalez that Haley, Arizona’s offensive coordinator, was aloof, condescending and ignored by veterans, the source said. Anquan Boldin, Kurt Warner and Larry Fitzgerald Jr. — Arizona’s offensive stars — were all members of the NFC Pro Bowl team.

Haley could not be reached for comment Thursday night. Haley bickered with Boldin and Warner during the NFC championship game. And when he was an assistant with the Cowboys, Haley had several run-ins with flamboyant receiver Terrell Owens.

The source said when Waters informed Haley of his desire to relocate, Kansas City’s coach scolded Waters and indicated that the Chiefs would not release Waters from his contract. Waters signed a seven-year contract extension with the Chiefs in 2005. Waters, a four-time Pro Bowler, is 32 and would seemingly have decent trade value.

Waters declined public comment on Thursday.

He is the second high-priced Chiefs offensive star to ask for his release. Running back Larry Johnson has repeatedly asked to be let go. All-pro tight end Tony Gonzalez expressed disappointment when coach Herm Edwards was fired and has stated he will take a wait-and-see approach with the new regime.

Waters’ dissatisfaction is surprising given his reputation as a locker-room leader and his dedication to the organization. Waters is heavily involved in charitable activity in the Kansas City community and was a finalist for the NFL’s 2008 Man of the Year Award.

According to the source, Waters flew to Kansas City specifically to meet with Haley and Pioli and hear their plan for the direction of the organization. Pioli declined to meet with Waters, saying they had nothing to discuss, the source said. And Haley began his hallway conversation with Waters by proclaiming that 22 players off the street could win two games, the source said.

Waters considered his options Wednesday, flew to Dallas and then tried reaching owner Clark Hunt and Pioli before telling Haley on Thursday that he felt their differences were irreconcible, the source said.

Waters joined the Chiefs in 2000 and became a starter in 2001.

smittysbar · 02-27-2009, 02:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Sam Hall

I don't think Haley has proven enough to make that comment. He comes across like twenty-two random people off the streets of downtown KC could win two games. That's wrong.

Your right, they would need a kicker, make it 23

orange · 02-27-2009, 02:08 AM

You guys know that Jimmy Johnson went 1-15 with a lineup that included Troy Aikman, Michael Irvin, and Herschel Walker, right?

Hammock Parties · 02-27-2009, 02:10 AM

Shut up donk troll. You seek to discredit our new regime.

The Buddha · 02-27-2009, 02:12 AM

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Originally Posted by orange

You guys know that Jimmy Johnson went 1-15 with a lineup that included Troy Aikman, Michael Irvin, and Herschel Walker, right?

Yeah, Aikman was a ROOKIE, and they had no offensive line! or an adequate d.

Why you gotta be raining on our parade!?!

orange · 02-27-2009, 02:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Claythan

Shut up donk troll. You seek to discredit our new regime.

An 0-0 head coach talking smack to a two-time All-Pro....hmmm.

Claythan, admit it. YOU'RE Todd Haley!

smittysbar · 02-27-2009, 02:14 AM

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Originally Posted by orange

You guys know that Jimmy Johnson went 1-15 with a lineup that included Troy Aikman, Michael Irvin, and Herschel Walker, right?

Did they do charity work?

Mecca · 02-27-2009, 02:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Sam Hall

I don't think Haley has proven enough to make that comment. He comes across like twenty-two random people off the streets of downtown KC could win two games. That's wrong.

I'm pretty sure the comment is basically to tell Brian Waters when your team is 2-14 you aren't in the position to ask for anything.

**DaneMcCloud** · 02-27-2009, 02:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sam Hall

I don't think Haley has proven enough to make that comment. He comes across like twenty-two random people off the streets of downtown KC could win two games. That's wrong.

That's NOT what he's saying and you are sadly mistaken if that's the way you interpret it.

Sam Hall · 02-27-2009, 02:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

I'm pretty sure the comment is basically to tell Brian Waters when your team is 2-14 you aren't in the position to ask for anything.

Than that's what he should have said. No one could have argued with that.

Mecca · 02-27-2009, 02:16 AM

I'd like to ask people what makes Brian Waters think he should be "in the know" like he's above the other players or some such...didn't Scott Pioli when he came here talk about being a team and not individuals?

**DaneMcCloud** · 02-27-2009, 02:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca

I'm pretty sure the comment is basically to tell Brian Waters when your team is 2-14 you aren't in the position to ask for anything.

I'm pretty sure these East Coast attitudes aren't gonna fly in KC and the surrounding states for long. I expect to see many more columns like these until the Chiefs begin to actually win.

Sam Hall · 02-27-2009, 02:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

That's NOT what he's saying and you are sadly mistaken if that's the way you interpret it.

Those were his words.

Mecca · 02-27-2009, 02:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sam Hall

Than that's what he should have said. No one could have argued with that.

It's called making a point, this is Brian Waters a guy who's played for Vermiel and Herm Edwards who thought Herm was awesome and said this line "this teams future success is because of Herm Edwards"

Todd Haley just told him he thinks the players Herm brought in for the most part are replacement level.

Mecca · 02-27-2009, 02:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I'm pretty sure these East Coast attitudes aren't gonna fly in KC and the surrounding states for long. I expect to see many more columns like these until the Chiefs begin to actually win.

People like the nice feel good shit, instead of doing what it takes to win. Coddling players is not how you win.

orange · 02-27-2009, 02:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Buddha

Yeah, Aikman was a ROOKIE, and they had no offensive line! or an adequate d.

Why you gotta be raining on our parade!?!

They had Newton, and Stepnoski, and Tuinei, and Gogan, and Darryl Johnston...

Ken Norton, Bates, Jeffcoat...

Quite a few of their mainstays in the coming dynasty were already there. Hardly 22 guys off the street.

02-27-2009, 12:06 AM
Tribal Warfare Man of Culture Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Far Beyond Comprehension Casino cash: $-2907187	Whitlock: Chiefs’ All-Pro guard Waters wants out of Kansas City Chiefs’ All-Pro guard Waters wants out of Kansas City By JASON WHITLOCK The Kansas City Star Chiefs Pro Bowl guard Brian Waters asked the organization Thursday to release or trade him this offseason, according to a source with knowledge of the situation. Waters asked for his release two days after a brief meeting with new head coach Todd Haley and after being told by first-time general manager Scott Pioli that he had no interest in meeting with Waters, the source said. Waters, according to the source, was offended and shocked by the arrogance of Haley and Pioli. Waters’ meeting with Haley and follow-up phone conversations confirmed in the nine-year vet’s mind that the negative reports about Haley that he heard from Arizona Cardinals players while at the Pro Bowl were accurate, according to the source. The Cardinals players told Waters and tight end Tony Gonzalez that Haley, Arizona’s offensive coordinator, was aloof, condescending and ignored by veterans, the source said. Anquan Boldin, Kurt Warner and Larry Fitzgerald Jr. — Arizona’s offensive stars — were all members of the NFC Pro Bowl team. Haley could not be reached for comment Thursday night. Haley bickered with Boldin and Warner during the NFC championship game. And when he was an assistant with the Cowboys, Haley had several run-ins with flamboyant receiver Terrell Owens. The source said when Waters informed Haley of his desire to relocate, Kansas City’s coach scolded Waters and indicated that the Chiefs would not release Waters from his contract. Waters signed a seven-year contract extension with the Chiefs in 2005. Waters, a four-time Pro Bowler, is 32 and would seemingly have decent trade value. Waters declined public comment on Thursday. He is the second high-priced Chiefs offensive star to ask for his release. Running back Larry Johnson has repeatedly asked to be let go. All-pro tight end Tony Gonzalez expressed disappointment when coach Herm Edwards was fired and has stated he will take a wait-and-see approach with the new regime. Waters’ dissatisfaction is surprising given his reputation as a locker-room leader and his dedication to the organization. Waters is heavily involved in charitable activity in the Kansas City community and was a finalist for the NFL’s 2008 Man of the Year Award. According to the source, Waters flew to Kansas City specifically to meet with Haley and Pioli and hear their plan for the direction of the organization. Pioli declined to meet with Waters, saying they had nothing to discuss, the source said. And Haley began his hallway conversation with Waters by proclaiming that 22 players off the street could win two games, the source said. Waters considered his options Wednesday, flew to Dallas and then tried reaching owner Clark Hunt and Pioli before telling Haley on Thursday that he felt their differences were irreconcible, the source said. Waters joined the Chiefs in 2000 and became a starter in 2001.
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